(March 30, 2012 at 4:55 am)Orion3T Wrote: 1. Jesus was a mortal man who read the bible for what it was, saw the world for what it was, and realised there were things rotten in society of the time.There was no "bible" at that time.
Quote:2. Jesus was a perceptive, loving and highly moral individual who sought to change the world and people's attitudes for the benefit of humankind. Effectively a humanist.His righteousness far exceeded His love for Humanity. His righteousness effectively condemns all of humanity to Hell for being sinners.
Quote:3. Jesus studied scripture to such an extent he was able to offer plausible reinterpretations of the old testament consistent with his own moral observations of the real world.Such as? By all accounts his works by completing the scriptures prove it impossible for any "human" to be found acceptable before the Father bythe way of their morality.
Quote:4. Jesus learned basic but convincing trickery much like those practiced on a daily basis all over the world today by faith healers, gurus and magicians worldwide.What is this assertion based on?
Quote:5. Jesus was able either to convince his disciples he was God incarnate, or more likely actually submitted to some of them his grand plan to promote moral advancement. Some of them may even have assisted in some of his supposed miracles.Again you misunderstand the basic concept of morality in relation to righteousness. Morality is the term used by the self righteous to deem their actions "good" or acceptable but still allows or incorporates sin into that standard.
Righteousness is the perfect unaltered Expressed will of God. Righteousness dictates that anyone found outside of this standard even once is condemned to eternal Hell.
Christ condemned All of Humanity to Hell. Because In His teachings He made it impossible for anyone to find righteousness in their "moral" works.
Quote:6. Jesus believed so strongly that moral evolution was required, that he was prepared to suffer and die for his humanistic beliefs, like so many people do to this day.No He believed in Absolution or atonement as per His Father's plan. Thus separating man from "morality" as a means to obtain righteousness.
Quote:7. Jesus had to profess faith in order not to be disregarded as a heretic. It would never have been enough to simply say 'Religion is false and we should all start being nicer to each other'. I think it would be most consistent to think he did not even believe in God.Have you even read the bible or have you cut and pasted your own?
None of this is consistent with what scripture teaches.
Quote:8. After Jesus sacrificed himself most brutally, his disciples felt morally obliged and inspired to do the same. Some accounts may have been mistaken, some disciples may have been genuinely convinced of Jesus' divine nature, others were conscious allies in his gambit for moral advancement.Baseless speculation. Otherwise show me where or how any of this could be considered true.
Quote:To me this approach seems to fit what vague facts we have, while actually elevating Jesus as a historical figure of great humanity.Then please show me how it works "Book Chapter and Verse please.
