Serious Query Regarding Jesus

[Godscreated]

You have many problems with your theory, I'm going to address just one, Jesus loyal followers would not have suffered the way they did unless they knew for certain He was who He claimed to be. To get twelve men to die for the same lie, especially the way they died, is an impossibility at least one would have spilled the beans and come clean about the lie.

Two big problems with your excuse.

First, OP specifically stated that some of them may have been deceived. So, yes, they certainly did believe for that Jesus was who he claimed to be, when in fact he wasn't.

Second, soldiers, freedom fighters etc die for a cause all the time. These are just 12 men whom Jesus might have chosen because they were willing to give up their lives for what they thought was greater good. If only they knew.

Like Minny you have not thought this through. Either all knew He did or did not rise from the grave, this is a simple fact. If they knew He did not then some would not be willing to die for a lie. If He did then it's still possible not all would be willing to die the deaths they did, however they did, so they must have known something you're missing out on.

Yes soldiers and freedom fighters know they are fighting for a true cause and are willing to die for what they know to be truth. You in your statement above made the case, you said, "if only they knew," and before that, "what they thought was a greater good," you are saying they were not sure, if so then some of the 12 would have bailed out on the cause. Let me state again, they knew one way or the other that Christ rose from the dead, and since they all died horrible deaths they knew something you're over looking. Remember Judas did not believe and sold Christ out, when He realized the truth he to paid a price.

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And the lunatic fringe pops in from the peanut gallery with a little jesus bullshit to sprinkle.

To get twelve men to die for the same lie

So I guess Osama bin Laden's 9-11 hijackers are getting it on with 72 virgins because WHO WOULD DIE FOR A FUCKING LIE, right, moron?

They believed the 72 virgin junk and the other trappings that go with it, so to them there was no lie. If Christ had not risen from the grave the 12 would have know. Think things through Minny.

Your argument runs the assumption [yes, assumption] that these twelve DID know.

There's only one problem: The bible was written in the FOUR gospels. We have ZERO eye-witness testimony independently verified by third parties that such a thing happened, therefore the entire event is called into amiguity, and given that such a miraculous event like someone RISING FROM THE FUCKING GRAVE AFTER BEING CONFIRMED TO BE DEAD AS THEY CAN GET should have been recorded by every single last historian within a 200 mile radius within the half-decade following such a unheard-of event. And yet we don't see a single fucking mention by ANY single historian AT ALL. Even if there had been mere RUMORS, the event would have been recorded by SOME independent source. But no, we hear NOTHING about it by any third parties.

I am sure individuals such as yourself totally believe every accusation and rumor you hear, too, because if you believe one unsubstantiated claim you might as well just believe them all. Which scares me when I consider people like you may end up on the juror's stand, deciding the fate of an individual. It scares me to NO END.

Then stay out of trouble and you will have nothing to worry about. Hey, look up the word "faith" in the dictionary, you could get a clue. By the way how does the OT get written into the four Gospels, strange thing for you to say.

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Jesus loyal followers would not have suffered the way they did unless they knew for certain He was who He claimed to be wrong.

Bollocks.

To this day nobody knows 'for certain' that Jesus (who may or may not have existed) was who the mythology which is the NT claims him to have been. Personal certitude is not the same as certainty.

His putative apostles may or may not have been aware of the suffering in their future,and may or may not have accepted it willingly. We have no way of knowing their motivation. The Gospels DO tell us Peter wasn't all that keen, denying he even knew Jesus; three times.

My point exactly, before Christ was crucified and rose from the grave he was not sure, same for Judas, after He was crucified and rose, Peter and all the disciples were true believers, hence they came to a reality of who Christ truly was. They found their proof.