RE: Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?
April 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2012 at 5:08 pm by Greatest I am.)
Quote:(April 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Great topic. I like the way you framed the question. My preliminary response, off the top of my head, is as follows: A cure, such as you propose would require God to force them to change their heart against their will. As a general rule, the biblical God, offers people the opportunity to repent prior to smiting them. The prophets lay out the choice before both individuals and entire peoples. In other words, you must first recognize that you are sick and agree to take your medicine.
The reverse precedent of God changing Pharaoh's heart from good to evil came before the flood so I do not think your argument above has any merit.
Quote: Not always, In some instances the condition of some, like the men of Sodom, is so wicked that they have already abundantly confirmed their choice. God does indeed venerate life, not just the physical but the spiritual as well, the physical being a precursor to a spiritual afterlife. God smites the wicked who have already become spiritually dead, even though they remain physically. Once people have confirmed that they will not repent no matter what and are spiritually dead, God removes the wicked so that they cannot continue harming anyone else. Because only God knows the spiritual condition of people, only God can judge and smite. (BTW I just like using the word 'smite' because I don't get to use it that often.)
Again I cannot see his hate for Gays as a justification of smiting all the children and babies of Sodom when here again, he could have just changed their minds.
He really chose the moral low ground in killing innocent children and babies that had yet to turn Gay.
Regards
DL
(April 4, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Care to have a go?
Do you think the dickheads would listen?
I won't know that till I see what you can do friend. But it may give me insight on how to attack their point and slavish mentality.
Regards
DL
(April 4, 2012 at 3:52 pm)Godschild Wrote:(April 3, 2012 at 6:42 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?
When did murder need to be classified as anything but immoral?
GIa Wrote:It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so. I do not believe this but will grant it as a truth for this O P.
You have been misinformed about God, you also have not been paying attention to what many of the christians here have stated about God. Let's start again, God can do nothing outside His nature ie. will. To do that would mean God would sin and that's not possible. He did create all things, but will not destroy anything until He has passed judgement on it, since He is creator it is His right to pass judgement. His judgement falls only on the guilty.
GIa Wrote:Given that God can kill or cure, and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him; it would seem that we too are to believe that sometimes it is better to kill than cure. I cannot think of any good situation to do this but that is just me. Perhaps you can.
Killing can be presented as taking life without a purpose, God never takes life without a purpose, and yes, God can and does cure physically or spiritually.
Again you're trying to misrepresent scripture either on purpose or out of ignorance, which is it? We are to be like God by trying to be as righteous as we possibly can, God has never given us the right to take life without a person being judged guilty.
GIa Wrote:Scriptures show God killing many or having men kill many. Scriptures show God curing on a few occasions but killing seems to be his preferred method.
God has cured many that have been physically, spiritually or mentally sick, Nineveh comes to mind for a spiritual healing, Christ healed many of physical ailments. God takes the life of those He has judged guilty of sin, whether He does it directly or chooses man to do so.
GIa Wrote:Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.
God sacrificed His Son to save man from eternal doom, and yes, He cared for the life of His Son by raising Him from the dead. God does care for mans life, He did something you would never do for mankind. Where in scripture does it say that man is above the angels.
GIa Wrote:In our human world, if a doctor who could cure his patient decided to kill him, he would be jailed and considered an evil person. In the believer world, a God who could cure and decides to kill is considered good and praised for his killing. A double standard. I hope that we will all agree that for a human to kill, when a cure option is available, is evil and immoral. If you do not; please do not reply.
Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?
Does your God need to have good morals or does it matter?
Regards
DL
The doctor should rightly be jailed for such an action, that is murder, he has no right to judge when a life should end. God does not kill the sick, they die of their illness, God has said that all will fall to death because of their sin. At some point in life everyone dies, not because God withholds a cure, we suffer death because of our sin. This is a promise God made to man and he has been faithful to that promise.
God is moral, always, because He is the standard of morality, and we all fall short of that standard, so we must die for our sin, it's the penalty for being outside of God's will. Remember you're the one who granted that God was creator for this OP.
You do not follow the usual Christian take but I do have a question or two.
God is shown as killing sinners sure but he is also shown as ordering the murder of many children and babies that could not possibly be evil or sinners.
How would you justify their death?
My second question pertains to sin itself. Let my build a scenario.
If you or I were to lie to someone and cause them to pass on that lie, we would be sinners.
If God did, would he also be culpable for or guilty of sinning?
You indicated that God has morals.
I return you to my original question.
Is it moral to kill when a cure is available?
Did God have the power to cure those at Sodom and at the genocide of Noah's day?
Regards
DL
(April 4, 2012 at 4:26 pm)Chuck Wrote: Some times it is immoral to cure when "let them die" is an available option. For example when faith healers and their devoted suckers get sick.
J W and blood transfusions come to mind.
Regards
DL