RE: Morality
April 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2012 at 12:29 pm by Drich.)
(April 14, 2012 at 7:37 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: The Golden Rule. Pre-dates monotheism. Makes sense on an instinctual, biological, psychological, emotional, and physical scale. Ties in with biological altruism which is demonstrated in nature in many herd, flock, and/or pack-based creatures.That's great, but how does the golden rule have anything to do with what is being discussed? Morality, righteousness and the golden rule are not even in the same category biblically speaking.
Quote:There. Morality. On an instinctual, biological level. Makes far more sense than your vague grasp-at-smoke struggling attempt to define it within the confines of a "fitting with modern religion against old religion" sense.How so? simply by incorporating the term "morality" with a rule?
Please take the time and explain.
(April 14, 2012 at 7:43 am)tobie Wrote:(April 14, 2012 at 2:20 am)Drich Wrote:(April 14, 2012 at 2:00 am)Cinjin Wrote:Drich Wrote:Righteousness says: it is always a sin to lie no matter what the reason.
Wait ... what?
So you're claiming that all lying is a sin??? Your righteous god can commit genocide on a whim, but I'm not allowed to lie to a telephone marketer?!!? *facepalm*
A French man living in Germany in the 1940's lies to a German SS officer and says that he's not hiding any Jews in his basement. Subsequently, he saves an entire family of god's chosen people, but sins, bringing god's disdain on himself for lying to a murdering brute.
Fuck your god
You seem to be missing a bit of the equation. In that God's righteousness is not/Can not be obtained by our efforts. It is a gift given to all who believe in the atoning sacrifice of Christ.
That means righteousness is still obtainable even if you lie to the German officer to save your friend/family.
How is god righteous if:
1) He condones and encourages genocide
2) He condones and encourages slavery
3) He condones beating slaves to an extent where they die a few days after the beating
And yes, there are bible quotes that say all of these things, and worse. Also, don't go bitching about context, because all of these 3 are despicable no matter where or why they are said or done.
Simple. Righteousness is not a intrinsic standard in which to judge God.
Righteousness is whatever God wills. If that means smashing babies against rocks then blessed be the name of the Lord. Like wise if that means having to forgive you for smashing my kid against a rock because we have been commanded to forgive as we have been forgiven then, blessed be the name of the Lord.
(April 14, 2012 at 7:57 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: As I have long said: If god were real, it would be necessary to rebel against him him, as it is necessary to rebel against ALL totalitarian dictatorships. Even if god were real, he would be unworthy of my worship, only my utmost contempt.
As God has long said (since the garden) that is your right. That is the purpose of this life, so you will know without doubt when you face judgement where your heart lies.
