Morality

[Drich]

drich- i actually respect your approach to Christianity. its very uhh how do i put this,"direct"??. maybe thats sounds wierd but whatever. you havent changed religion to fit your world view, youve changed your world view to make religion work with it. dont meet too many of your type.

That is too bad. i don't know if that means you should get out more or if that means there are fewer of us than is needed.

BUT here in lies the problem
using the bible/gods word as an infallible standand of morality is completey fucked. you have a mind please use it. you know that killing is wrong most of the time, that shit is self evident like CoH is saying.

Again it is wrong depending on where and when you have lived.

Unless you goto an absolute standard which says Murder is always wrong.

but your god has supposedly killed off entire cities. thats a huge contradiction(insert starburst ad here).

Because death or causing death in of itself is not a sin. It is the unsanctioned taking of life that makes killing Murder.

youve discussed slavery already and came to the conclusion that its an analogy used to understand your faith more. but in reality slavery is not moral, the things slavery have accomplished is not a valid arguement.

"Slavery" is a term used in western societies to describe the actions of men living in dark ages to about the mid 1860's. This is not the biblical definition of the term. If you were to only look at what is being described in biblical slavery you would see that everyone who has a job is a slave, every man who has some sort of monthly payment to be a slave, anyone who is apart of a family to be a slave. Anyone who sins as being a bond servant/slave to that sin. We are all slaves all of the time. Western Society doesn't want any rules or regulations telling the slave owners how to manage the people in their care. Which is infact what the bible has done. You see, all "we" had to do is change the meaning of the word, and people like you will not even look to consider what has been done for any of us under the authority of another. Ironically by doing so you bind yourself tighter to the society that has done so much to enslave you to it.

the bible supports slavery, but this is not moral, its really self evident. basically mans morality changes as it advances, gods does not and this holds back humanity on a shit ton of levels.

What God has done is freed us. Yes we are now bond to Him but under Him our load is light our burdens are gone. By the standards of society of morals you are bound to act, think, and believe a certain way otherwise you are ostracized. Take the time to read some of your peers comments and tell me this is not true. I made the effort to start my own thread, and look at the need and compulsion to preserve the societal idea of morality. (As to not intrude on anyone elses thoughts) Look at the lengths people have gone to trivialize and dismiss what is being said here.. Why? Because you all are bound like slaves to thinking a very specific way, and if anyone opposes the way any of you think, all of these "enlightened free thinking minds" look to tear apart and destroy anyone or any thing that speaks against your societal masters.

That is why the perservation of "morality" is so important as the king of the good standard. This allows you all to judge any thing and any one not living in your scope of the world.

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[quote='NoMoreFaith' pid='273204' dateline='1334580859']

We agree Drich. Morality is not an absolute standard. There is no absolute standard to compare it to. Even "universal" morality, such as murder, is ever changing. I think almost everyone agrees with that. You only have to look at any declaration of war to see that.

Don't tell me there are 4 or 5 of your friends who do not see things that way. why not address them.

Does that give you the freedom to act as you will? No, you must conform to the socially acceptable standards set by society, or face penalties for contravening them, whether being a social pariah, or physically locked up.

I agree for we all christian and atheist alike are bound to morality in one form or another.