Morality

[Kratos]

I have posted this definition several times in past posts.

Morality is man's attempt to establish a righteous standard based on the sin he or the society he lives in is willing to except Incorporated into that standard.

Morality is not true Righteousness or God's Righteousness. God's Righteousness is a sinless standard no one can achieve.

Morality says: It is ok to lie to save your friend's life.

Righteousness says: it is always a sin to lie no matter what the reason.

God's righteousness is absolute, and never changes.

Man's Morality is on a sliding scale always identified by the lessor of two evils.

That said know that 'morality' is not the universal standard of good. Morality is a constantly changing to suit the the personal or civil righteousness of a community of people. What once was moral could now be considered a crime, and vise versa.

I say that to help those looking to frame questions based on "morality." Most of the time it is used an absolute standard when in fact it is not.

I'd certainly agree with your definition of morality. As you say morality is not always a universal standard, but the crux of morality is - it is an essential element of our anthropological make-up that allows people to function in a social framework, with basic standards of conduct being expected of those we live with. I don't think this is really something theists and atheists would disagree upon.

Many theologians, and, indeed, agnostic or atheistic philosophers, draw from this the concept of natural law. Which basically just means that universally good standards of human conduct in any society can be arrived at via the use of reason. This is sometimes contrasted with positive law, which is law that derives from some kind of authority and is not necessarily universal to all societies. Though obviously the distinction between the two is not always clear.

For St. Aquinas this "Natural Law" is derived from God's creation by the intellect of man, but does NOT require the revelation of the Church or scripture or even a belief in the Christian God. St. Aquinas termed "divine law" those standards of human conduct that come from God and/or the revelation, for example the virtue of Faith.

My essential point here is that morality derived by man from reason, and morality from the revelation of God (what I understand you to term righteousness) are not two competing standards, one exclusive of the other, but rather are complimentary. The divine law can never contradict natural law (though it may contradict positive law), and visa versa.

Very true, it is good to read some well thought out posts. I hope the Godless horde don't attack you with insults as they do me. They even attack the pope, call him a Nazi trying to take over the world, most corrupt etc these people must be maniacs. The pope only talks of peace on Earth and love and forgiveness etc. I have a sneaking suspicion they are a bunch of Marxist Jews to say such heinous things.

Hey, with your lips pressed so tightly to Drich's ass I'm surprised you can actually see your keyboard. Why don't you unclamp your lips from his buttpucker a little bit, that way you'll actually be able to start doing more than saying shit.

As far as the topic of conversation being discussed...I maintain that morality is universal. Killing and murdering is, always has been, and always will be immoral, and has always been considered as such which is why all societies all the way back to the caveman eras did not just wantonly murder one another and why the earliest laws always tended to start with "don't kill each other." The RANGE of those moralities has certainly changed, sure...and for the better. There's a reason we call primitive humans "barbarians."

What fucking planet do you come from? What do you think war and raiding and conquest is? A game of soccer? If we're not killing each other we're getting off watching carnage on tv. If killing has always been sooo immoral why the Hell has it never stopped? Cause we are all fuckin barbarians.
BTW even cannabalism is morally ok in some places.

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I'm calling troll on Kratos

No I may not conform very well but to call me a troll? I just have points of view that's all.

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BTW Godless progress is patroned by the demon Astaroth.

I take it you mean the big guy from the Soul Caliber games, yeah?

No Astaroth started out as the Greek Godess Astarte and over time given a sex change and demonized into Astaroth. Set was an ancient Egyption God that had the head of a goat. The new empire had Ra the sun God and Set was demonized probably evolved into Satan. Abrahamic religions have there roots in Egypt.
BTW a big astroid is on it's way called Apophis (the serpent messenger to Set). Was Apophis the serpent in the garden of Eden? Freaky.

How is it freaky?

Just a Jim Carrey expression.