Quote:Now, go and read what I asked for. Then go and read Lev 19 and Mat 23. Then go and read what I asked for once again.Asked and answered.
Quote: Do you see the problem?Yes you are demanding a glossary or dictionary type of definition when you know good and well little to no words/terms are defined in such away in the bible. This makes your request a red herring. You are attempting to shift the topic being discussed, to something that categorically does not exist in the texts you are demanding they come from.
Quote:I said: "Please, start by providing the bible quotes and verses that define morality and righteousness. Not just verses you think you can interpret their meanings from. "That is why I posted the references I did. I did not think these things, they were written long before i was born. The principles have been established over and over in these two chapters. God's absolute standard against man's corrupt efforts to apply these standards with the sin he is willing to live with. God's Righteousness, and morality or AKA Self righteousness.
The principles are clearly spelled out in detail. My representation of the christian terms has been satisfied to all of the standards and requirements of the Faith. I do not own any explanation to you or anyone else beyond this. This is a biblical representation of the terms supported by these two chapters. End of story. If you wish to embrace the popular or a given cultural understanding of the words then again, feel free to do so. I am not looking to redefine your favorite dictionary. I am simply looking to give those who wish to ask biblically based or God related question based on morality the incite to do so responsibility.
Quote:That's settles then, god's morality changes.God does not have a 'morality.' morality is built from God's Absolute righteous standard. God's righteousness does not Change. In your example it is still a sin to eat shell fish however Atonement allows me to eat whatever i wish.
Atonement allows me to live a moral life rather than demand that i live a righteous one. God's standard of Righteousness did not change the way i obtain it has.
(Maybe next time ask why something is the way it is rather than assume)
Quote:I've given you lots of chances to make the corrections. Even in this post, where you restated the original post, you could have acknowledged what you missed the first time around. Can you show me where you have provided the distinction between popular and biblical morality?This is a lie. your efforts to this point have only ever pointed back to the OP. If your efforts in the preservation of the Original post were not so complete, and asserted every single time I deviated from what you understood the OP to mean. I would not have any grounds to post this objection.
As it is your works and efforts have singularly been directed at holding me to YOUR Interpretation of what was Originally stated. You have no desire to discuss Morality except in so far as a platform to feed your personal pride. (Hence your request that I reset the topic on your terms as away to hide your foolish errors.)*spoiler alert: not going to happen. anyone who cares to read all of this mess can plainly see you are looking for legitimacy to salvage your efforts to this point. I am content in letting your work die on the vine.
For i have in this thread to you and others, conceded that there are indeed two separate standards or understandings of these terms and i have also gone so far as to speak to the divisions of both. But apparently this did not suit your expedition and attempted to hijack this thread to reflect your closed minded effort to dismantle all that has been said in favor of your personal very cultural interpretation of Morality. Truthfully, here you and what you believe about morality is in the minority. Have you failed to see what others have posted? Apparently you are the only one who can not see the divisions I put between God's righteous and Moral standards and the popular interpretation of them. Like it or not my work speaks for itself.
Because of that there isn't a need to do any of this:
Quote:Start over. Start by defining biblical morality and righteousness along with the definitions that are already accepted. Provide the sources of these definitions. Point out the differences between them. Explain why the established definitions are not applicable to the bible. And then tell us why we should give a shit.
thereby validating any of your arguments.