Pascal's Wager and the Selfishness of a "Good God"

[NoMoreFaith]

As an Atheist your beliefs are based upon Evidence that is based upon physical measurement of some kind. It does not refer to evidence that only has been personally observed by every individual nor is it only of a visible nature.. So, any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates his own worldview.

Ever read my signature. Its very apt.

Private self-authenticating evidence is useless because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it.

But essentially, you're right, I do not accept invisible, undetectable, internal convictions as evidence.

You simply deny history, you exclude a man known as Jesus of Nazereth..

So where are the contemporary accounts of his life. I don't deny history, but it is only sensible that documents should account for a major historical figure.

The bible, is not a contemporary account, its the books of the church that sprung up decades after that time, nothing more.

This is one of the problems with the story. We have no writings from the days of Jesus himself. Jesus never wrote anything, nor do we have any contemporary accounts of his life or death. There are no court records, official diaries, or newspaper accounts that might provide firsthand information. Nor are there any eyewitnesses whose reports were preserved unvarnished. Even though they may contain earlier sources or oral traditions, all the Gospels come from later times. Discerning which material is early and which is late becomes an important task. In fact, the earliest writings that survive are the genuine letters of Paul. They were written some twenty to thirty years after the death of Jesus. Yet Paul was not a follower of Jesus during his lifetime; nor does he ever claim to have seen Jesus during his ministry.

You claim I deny history, then you don't know how historians verify sources for claims.
For instance, Apollonius of Tyana lived at the same time as Jesus, contemporary accounts all over the place, and he was just a philosopher, not "the son of god".

I'm not trying to offend you, simply point out, that your claims are baseless. Believe whatever you like, but ignorance and lying are quite distasteful, which is exactly what you are doing when you call these things fact.

"Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.

Thats not what Hebrews 11:3 says thou is it.
Hebrews 11:3 says "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
It implies nothing about particles indiscernible to our eyes, it merely states God created ex nihilo, from nothing and believers take that on faith alone. In fact in context, a statement about particles would be insanely non-sequitor. Hebrews is talking about what faith is, faith that Gods Word made things from nothing.

Let's stick your interpreted "quote" in context.

Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
This is what the ancients were commended for.
Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes
By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.

Nope, batshit insane non-sequitor.

In short, you're either lying or ignorant (I mean that literally not offensively), and copy/pasting things without looking at the basis for what you say, even when it comes to your own bible.

Oooh, do the spherical earth bit, I never get bored of tearing the factual error in that one either.

I use bold to see better.

That doesn't help as you write it, unless you are only reading your own posts after you post them. Unless you are saying it helps to put [ b ] in front of everything to make it readable.

(BTW I suggest if you have trouble seeing, you increase text size in your browser, pressing CTRL and + together will do that on most browsers)