The secret of the Illuminati and why they are identifiable yet unstoppable.

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Actually, I did tell you why they "got rid" of Mr. Morgan, but in fairness it's not like this was ever proven. You weren't interested enough to investigate the matter, or you have a poor understanding of the US in the 1800's.

And you really think that this was due to his accusations of devil worship?
Even if, they obviously made him disappear. Maybe they did kill him, maybe they did not, but it was obvious that it was an effort to keep their inner workings secret. This alone serves as a proof for me that they're not just a social club of no real importance as you claim.

Any group of people are likely to have interests.

Indeed, but what kind of interests? It's not like a kennel club, or a golf club.
They have interests in terms of financial or political interests, gains.
Not an interest in politics of finance if you can understand under which context I'm using the word "interest".

That isn't enough to hang them (or persecute them in any way).

They weren't "persecuted" as you say, for their banding together.
They were ordered to close down their lodges due to their activity in politics and finance, as these were not in favour of the current revolution in Turkey, and therefore, not in the interests of the Turkish people.
But this is not exclusive to us Turks, or to say, the Italians or Russians.
They only act in their own interests, not in the interests of others, except under circumstances that they can benefit from.

They must actually do something, and you must prove that they did

They certainly do not do things illegal, at least openly, or something that can be traced back to them by means of law, nor do they involve themselves in petty crimes like murder.
But neither do corporates, of many of whom might be masons or not.
The fact that they do not practice such things doesn't mean that they do not do things that are detestable. Like for example, who can tell me that the privatisation of a land on which are forests are simply the result of a talk between one mason who is buying and another mason selling, even though that piece of land was not open for construction of buildings?

this, of course, coming from the perspective of our system of law, clearly you folks feel like you can string people up on a whim. No worries, that's your shitty concept of justice and if you want to live by it be my guest

True justice was served when their lodges were closed and their activities were stopped. Your perspective of system of law clearly isn't really in your favor either, seeing how you're constantly bragging about how the law protects your rich folks, while stripping down the impoverished.
Now come and tell me that our law, at least the law that was put forward by our founding fathers, promising free education and free healthcare, while creating jobs, secured by the government was obviously less disposed towards justice than your law that supposedly protects freemasonry. Pah. Freemasons are still shady, unknowable people.
Their loyalty to anything but their own and monetary gain still stands.
I still do believe that no organisation that is just a social club that comes together to "socialize" on certain things would go through the trouble to keep their inner workings and activities secret.

It's not like it was ever proven. People were not convicted, perhaps, but I guess you have a better explanation for his sudden disappereance.

Your paranoia is not sufficient.

Paranoia, yes? If I were as paranoid as you'd claim, I could bring forward the even more wacky theories surrounding freemasonry.
Instead I think that they are just an international organisation that is bent on making more money, and securing it's own interests and that of it's members.
This is why I oppose it, just like I oppose any such factions.