Can God love?

[Greatest I am]

As long as that life loves, honours, worships and obeys him.
If not then that love and grace turns to hate and endless torture.

His unconditional love then comes with many conditions. Right?

I myself believe God has a compassionate type love even towards those whom are evil. As for the good people, he loves them in a more special way. And yet for the heroic gems amongst people, there is an even more special type love, and the world was set up to give opportunity for such people to shine.

I see. So to you, endless torture is a show of love.

Sick.

Regards
DL

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I did not agree with M K either but would need a further explanation to agree with your words.

Care to expand to make me understand how creating life is sadistic and apathetic?

No argument that what God is doing with life immoral and sadistic but the creation of it seems to me to be a good thing. I am quite pleased that natures created me and she is not sadistic or apathetic.

I didn't necessarily mean that creating life is sadistic and apathetic, but one could interpret the way that life was created was sadistic and apthetic. It seems that a necessity to life is to suffer, and pain is inevtiable. Something I believe an all-loving, all-powerful god would not allow.

My overall point was really that there are two sides to this coin, and that the fact that there is beauty in life, wouldn't necessarily mean that creation was necessarily an act of love. I'm not saying that if a creator was proven to exist that the state of our existence proves that the act of creation was sadistic, it just doesn't prove that it was an act of love either.

I think I understand your view then and yoiur resentment of the presence of evil.


Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.



Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that it is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks where it belongs. God or nature.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be.

Regards
DL

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At the end, people WANT to LIVE and are HAPPY that they are ALIVE. If life was so terrible, then people wouldn't want to live neither would they want to have children. Even in poor places where people have a hard time living, people are glad to be alive.

Life itself is a huge grace. Now arguing but a loving God would not allow suffering to me is like a child way of thinking. A child loves toys not realizing that one day he will grow out of that.

Whom is to say we are not developing towards something great? Towards divinity even perhaps. At least some people maybe.

Perhaps to develop towards that, we need a worlds of sufferring, adversity, where our compassion and love is put on the spot, where patience and courage is put on the spot, where forbearance and mercy is put on the spot...

Perhaps the next life is not this utopia people imagine, but we will continue in a world of problems and adversity, to keep on pushing our moral character to develop.

That is the purpose of man's life yes but it has nothing to do with God or his laws that secular governments have wisely rejected for better laws.

Would you prefer to live by the laws of your genocidal God or the laws of men who think genocide is evil?

Regards
DL