RE: Chat with a creationist
May 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
Points 1. and 2. are somewhat similar to the fine tuning arguments. Problem is if those things hadn't have happened, then we would not be here to ponder how unfortunate our existence is. With the universe the size that it is, and the age that it is, it was bound to produce at least our solar system with all the right conditions for life to emerge.
Point 3: Sure the Bible might have a few (emphasis on the few part) facts correct, but that doesn't at all prove the validity of the entire document (part to whole fallacy).
Point 4: I guess if you actually said "there are no facts" in the Bible, then he'd be right. There are few. But most of the Bible is unverifiable, and lot of its supposed history contradicts what we know likely happened in history.
Point 4a: I'm not sure what is being said. It's just a mess of words.
Point 5: Um, it's The Theory of Gravity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_gravity
Jesus' existence has not been verified. The subject is hotly debated to this day. Just look at the works of Richard Carrier and Robert M Price and several other like minded scholars who argue that Jesus likely never existed and was the creation from many mythical savior type figures that predate the apostolic era. Sure, the scholars that argue this might be in the minority of scholars, but that doesn't mean anything. The character "Jesus" calls himself God in the gospel(or appears to, but even that is debatable), but that's assuming the gospels really are true. This is just C.S. Lewis' infamous Lord, Liar, Lunatic argument which presents a completely false trilemma.
Point 6: I'm not sure why this tidbit matters.
Point 3: Sure the Bible might have a few (emphasis on the few part) facts correct, but that doesn't at all prove the validity of the entire document (part to whole fallacy).
Point 4: I guess if you actually said "there are no facts" in the Bible, then he'd be right. There are few. But most of the Bible is unverifiable, and lot of its supposed history contradicts what we know likely happened in history.
Point 4a: I'm not sure what is being said. It's just a mess of words.
Point 5: Um, it's The Theory of Gravity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_gravity
Jesus' existence has not been verified. The subject is hotly debated to this day. Just look at the works of Richard Carrier and Robert M Price and several other like minded scholars who argue that Jesus likely never existed and was the creation from many mythical savior type figures that predate the apostolic era. Sure, the scholars that argue this might be in the minority of scholars, but that doesn't mean anything. The character "Jesus" calls himself God in the gospel(or appears to, but even that is debatable), but that's assuming the gospels really are true. This is just C.S. Lewis' infamous Lord, Liar, Lunatic argument which presents a completely false trilemma.
Point 6: I'm not sure why this tidbit matters.
My ignore list
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
