RE: Chat with a creationist
May 5, 2012 at 12:21 am
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2012 at 12:23 am by FallentoReason.)
Quote:1. The distance of the earth from the sun within the right amount of degrees in which if we were even slightly closer we would burn to death or slightly further, we would freeze to death. The mechanism of the human body, especially the workings of the human eye. The earth's perfect ecosystem. These are some of the proofs of God, but you don't want there to be God, so why even bother asking for proof? Until God opens your eyes, you will live your life reasoning Him away!
Tell him to look into the sky like 'Abraham' did. Every single star up there could potentially be a solar system like ours. By default we represent the low probability of life because we are here.
Also, the earth is only a 'perfect ecosystem' because it's adapted to the environment. It doesn't work backwards in the sense that one can say the ecosystem is perfect because the earth was placed just right. Instead, our planet was in an optimal position therefore life could commence.
Quote:2. Well, the earth varies in temperature between roughly -30 degrees to roughly 120+ degrees and that has been consistent for as far back as it has been measured. The fact that it rotates on its axis around the sun keeps us from entirely freezing when we are further away and entirely burning up when we are closer. I can't tell you the exact amount closer, but amazing how it has remained at a survivable distance for all this time! How did the eye evolve over time, please explain.
Again, out of the billions upon billions of planets out there, the earth by default represents the chance that a planet could have the features like ours. It's basic probability.
A 4 minute explanation of the evolution of the eye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stb9pQc9Kq0
Quote:3. Now, as far as historical accuracy, are you saying that there were no such people as the Babylonians, the Chaldeans, the Egyptians(that's an easy one), the Hebrews(another softball)? What about countries cities like Rome or countries like Greece, Spain and Egypt? What about the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers or the Red Sea? What about Mt Ararat? What about people like Pontius Pilate, the kings of Israel David and Solomon, Cyrus King of Persia and Herod the Great? All historical people! Facts!
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Spiderman lives in New York, a real city. Is spiderman real? I don't understand the point he's trying to make.
Quote:4. All of those things I listed are in the Bible. You said there are no facts in the Bible, I wanted to prove to you that there are! And with the Bible putting those people, places and things in the proper context of history, it lends the Bible some credibility. Do you have any such thing by which to argue evolution?
Ah I see. Spiderman lives in New York, a real city. Spiderman is not real.
I just posted a thread on transitional fossils. That's usually one of the topics creationists will bring up against evolution.
Quote:4. It proves historical accuracy, now you are just being a denier. Part of the reason I trust it is because it records history accurately. Actually, 93% is kind of high from what I hear, but even if that is true, so what? It is a theory that everyone keeps calling fact. You have NO historical data to prove it and it keeps changing constantly. Although the Bible has different versions and has been printed in many languages, the basic message has not been changed.
No historical data to prove what? Jesus? Well yes... that is correct. Transitional fossils? There is data in the form of fossils that gives evidence for this, hence why the theory hasn't been trashed because it still holds true.
Quote:5. Gravity is not a theory it is a LAW!! Obviously I am not the clueless one here. Please tell me how the Bible came into existence. Historians, non-Christian ones have verified the existence of Jesus of Nazareth and his death on a cross. Yes, He could be considered a revolutionary to the religious system of the time, but a good teacher? Jesus is recorded as calling Himself God. Do you think Him to be a good teacher with claims like that?
We don't have any writings from eyewitnesses, so it's all baseless assertions until shown otherwise. Tell him to read Matthew 9:9 and ask him why he speaks in 3rd person.
Quote:6. First off, only the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament was written in Greek. Those languages have not changed and we can still translate them today, as a matter of fact that's exactly what theologians do! Sorry dude(assuming I am talking to a male figure here), but you make bad arguments and you have your "facts" very wrong. I would do a little more study to know what you are speaking about. Good day!
Translating is a trivial topic.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle