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The end of the World is at hand.
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RE: The end of the World is at hand.
(August 28, 2009 at 9:40 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: No one ever said to you Jesus was a mythical invention of the bible. Many of us are willing to accept the premise that someone named Jesus went around preaching, the question is whether or not his divinity is valid. An earlier church does nothing to prove Jesus's divinity.
Well, then my apologies. I thought atheists believed Jesus Christ never existed, and that he was a mythical story invented by the Gospel writers.


Quote:By your standards, the Jews have an edge, because their religion existed way before Christianity. We know that Judaism existed before the 5 Books of Moses, since it's agreed that Moses did not write those books and instead came from about 5 different contributors that were mixed and mashed together to form the final work of the five books.
This is not a comparison to the church that was unearthed. We are discussing how Jesus Christ existed before the Gospels existed.

Quote:And how about the greek gods? They were worshiped before Christ. Besides, you miss the point, the archeological find is not conclusively said to be an early Christian church. Until it has been proven and widely accepted as such, you're blowing smoke.
What about the Greek gods? Can you find sufficient evidence that greek gods were worshipped long before they were written?

Quote:Your logic is horribly flawed, an early church, if it is proven to be such, does not prove the truth of Jesus's divinity and the accuracy of the Christian church, only that it may have existed than previously determined. Nothing more
This cave proves Jesus was worshipped in some form or another. the Gospels claim Jesus was worshipped, now 2,000 years later, we find evidence of Christ worship that predates the bible by a few decades. This discovery only makes me believe in Jesus even more.

Quote:The earliest gospel was written around 70Ad.
Wrong. The earliest Gospel was written between 50-55ad. Roughly 20 years after Christ. Why did the Gospels waited 20 years is a mystery.

Quote:We know Mark was not an eye witness. And should Jesus have died in 33AD by crucifixion, it is possible eyewitnesses would be dead 40 years later. Life expectancy was not that long 2000 years ago, but it's irrelevant. I honestly don't care if there were eyewitnesses alive then. It's a fact that the gospels are not contemporary evidence for Jesus, and that's the important point.
I find it hard to believe that every single eyewitness from 33 was dead by the time the first Gospel was written. Are you suggesting a man in his early 20's from 33ad was dead by 55ad? The Gospels didn't have enough time to make up such a mythical story. If I write a book in 2009 about a man who lived in 1990 and he raised the dead, and healed the blind, I'm sure people that lived in 1990 would call my book a fraud. Surely you would demand evidence. But what evidence did the Gospels have to carry on this story?
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The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 24, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 24, 2009 at 12:33 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 24, 2009 at 1:00 pm
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RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by binny - August 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 24, 2009 at 1:03 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 24, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 24, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 24, 2009 at 9:31 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 24, 2009 at 9:55 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 25, 2009 at 5:03 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 25, 2009 at 9:53 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 25, 2009 at 10:36 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 26, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Ace Otana - August 28, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 25, 2009 at 5:04 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 25, 2009 at 9:44 am
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RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by bozo - August 24, 2009 at 7:21 pm
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RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 25, 2009 at 9:50 am
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RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 25, 2009 at 10:50 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 25, 2009 at 11:38 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rhizomorph13 - August 25, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 25, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Samson - August 25, 2009 at 1:18 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rob - August 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 25, 2009 at 5:39 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 2:34 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 27, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rob - August 25, 2009 at 5:43 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 25, 2009 at 5:47 pm
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RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 27, 2009 at 1:12 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 27, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 27, 2009 at 2:45 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by bozo - August 27, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 27, 2009 at 4:12 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Edwardo Piet - August 27, 2009 at 7:45 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 27, 2009 at 9:21 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by bozo - August 27, 2009 at 3:59 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Cyphern - August 27, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 27, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Cyphern - August 27, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rob - August 27, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 5:48 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by LukeMC - August 27, 2009 at 5:54 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 27, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 27, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rob - August 27, 2009 at 6:35 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 27, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 27, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by fr0d0 - August 27, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 27, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 27, 2009 at 7:33 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rhizomorph13 - August 27, 2009 at 7:40 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 27, 2009 at 7:40 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 27, 2009 at 9:44 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 28, 2009 at 8:37 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by LukeMC - August 28, 2009 at 8:59 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 27, 2009 at 10:52 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by padraic - August 28, 2009 at 1:17 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 28, 2009 at 3:59 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Retorth - August 28, 2009 at 7:17 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 28, 2009 at 8:46 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 28, 2009 at 9:22 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 28, 2009 at 9:40 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 28, 2009 at 10:17 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 28, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 28, 2009 at 12:22 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 28, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Retorth - August 28, 2009 at 9:37 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Cyphern - August 28, 2009 at 10:24 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 28, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 28, 2009 at 1:02 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 28, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 28, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 28, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 28, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by padraic - August 28, 2009 at 8:23 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 28, 2009 at 1:31 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 28, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Overmars - August 28, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Cyphern - August 28, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 28, 2009 at 8:46 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Ace Otana - August 29, 2009 at 8:52 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 29, 2009 at 10:43 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Eilonnwy - August 29, 2009 at 11:23 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 29, 2009 at 11:32 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 29, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 12:55 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 29, 2009 at 1:21 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 29, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 1:31 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 29, 2009 at 1:35 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Tiberius - August 29, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2009 at 2:35 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 2:09 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 29, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 3:04 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Ace Otana - August 30, 2009 at 7:42 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 30, 2009 at 8:10 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 30, 2009 at 11:16 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - August 30, 2009 at 11:33 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2009 at 3:05 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by The_Truth - August 29, 2009 at 3:05 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Tiberius - August 29, 2009 at 10:13 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2009 at 10:17 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 11:10 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 11:43 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Minimalist - August 30, 2009 at 12:03 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Violet - August 30, 2009 at 12:42 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Ace Otana - August 30, 2009 at 8:37 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Rob - August 30, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by theVOID - August 31, 2009 at 10:32 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Kyuuketsuki - September 1, 2009 at 6:39 am
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by downbeatplumb - September 3, 2009 at 2:06 pm
RE: The end of the World is at hand. - by Darwinian - September 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

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