(May 23, 2012 at 5:51 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: And He has one name by which He is known: And the Lord shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name one. (Zech. 14:9) …made Your name known [our Lord Jesus Christ] to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them. (John 17:25) And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name [our Lord Jesus Christ] under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of [by the authority of Jesus Christ] the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.[that name is our Lord Jesus Christ] (Matt. 28:18)ALTER2EGO -to- CHADWOOTERS:
I wonder if you realize how difficult it is for people to read your scriptures when you run then all into one paragraph like you've been doing? That's the reason why it's taken me so long to respond to your posts in both of my threads, because I just didn't want to deal with that. It will be easier for others to follow what you write if you separate your scriptures with a blank line between each one.
The verses of scriptures you quoted above are with reference to two entirely different persons—(1) Jehovah the Father and (2) Jesus Christ the created son. You erroneously assigned John 17:25 to Jehovah. (It's actually supposed to be John 17:26) That verse is Jesus Christ praying to Jehovah and telling God that he [Jesus] made God's name [YHWH aka Jehovah] known.
I will quote both verses 25 and 26 below and follow it with several questions to you. The intent of the questions is to help you think logically about what the scriptures are actually saying. I want to make it clear that this is not a contest about who wins or about who outwits the other. The sole objective of this thread and all my threads is to separate religious truth from human philosophical thinking and traditions of men. Jehovah will not accept anything less than true worship.
"God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and TRUTH." (John 4:24)
The trinity is pagan and amounts to false worship. By worshipping a 3-prong god that is nowhere to be found in the Judeo-Christian Bible, it amounts to worshipping a god that does not exist. That said, I will now proceed with a close examination of John 17:1, 25-26. Remember, this is Jesus praying to Jehovah. To prove this, I will start off with verse 1 and then skip to verses 25 and 26. Keep you eyes on the words in bold within the quoted verses below, because the questions that follow will be based entirely on those three verses.
"{1} Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, {25} Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you; but I have come to know you; and these have come to know that you sent me forth. {26} And I have made YOUR NAME known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which YOU LOVED ME may be in them and I in union with them." (John 17:1, 25-26)
QUESTION #1 TO CHADWOOTERS: At John 17:1, it says Jesus was praying to the Father. Since Jesus and Jehovah are supposedly the same god within the fabricated "Godhead," am I supposed to conclude that God was praying to himself?
QUESTION #2 TO CHADWOOTERS: At John 17:1, Jesus said in prayer to Jehovah: "glorify your son, that your son may glorify you." If Jesus and Jehovah are the same god within the pagan Trinity, what's the logic that they should individually glorifying each other? Individually glorifying each other raises a red flag that these are two separate and distinct persons; otherwise, this glorifying of each other would make no logical sense. Give me your thoughts on that.
QUESTION #3 TO CHADWOOTERS: At John 17:25, Jesus said to Jehovah: "Righteous Father…, I have come to know you…." Am I supposed to believe God was having a conversation with himself during which one part of God was telling the other part that God came to know himself?
QUESTION #4 TO CHADWOOTERS: At John 17:25, Jesus said to Jehovah: " you sent me forth…." According to the Trinity definition, the Father, the Son, and the holy ghost are CO-EQUAL. The rules of hierarchy dictate that the one being sent forth is inferior to the one doing the sending. Throughout the scriptures, Jesus is shown taking instructions from Jehovah. It is never the other way around. So what happened to co-equality within the fabricated Trinity "Godhead"?
QUESTION #5 TO CHADWOOTERS: At John 17:26, Jesus told Jehovah in prayer: "I have made YOUR name known." The word "your" is a possessive personal pronoun, and by using the word "your" instead of the word "our," Jesus Christ instantly made it clear that the name he made known (YHWH aka Jehovah) is not his name. Why would Jehovah and Jesus have different names, and why would the one called Jesus have had to make known the name of Jehovah—despite the fact they are supposedly the same god within the Trinity "Godhead"? What sense does any of this make?
QUESTION #6 TO CHADWOOTERS: At John 17:26, Jesus told Jehovah in prayer: "in order that the love with which YOU LOVED ME may be in them." Am I supposed to believe this 3-prong god is telling himself that the part on earth that was doing the praying loves the part in heaven he was talking to and these are still the same god within the Trinity?
BTW: I don't understand what point you're trying to make with the last scripture on the list above at Matthew 28. The verse you meant to write is verse 19 (Matthew 28:19). In any event, suppose you elaborate on why you mentioned it in the list above?
I will await your answers to my questions in this post.
