(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(August 31, 2009 at 4:28 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: In fact being open-minded is about:Precisely. Being open minded is being open minded using your own narrow definition of open mindedness. I could maybe live with that if you then didn't justify your worldview with some bullshit marginalist philosophy. You prove yourself that your limitations are not sustainable.
- Establishing exactly what claim is being made, what phenomenon is being tested or evaluated.
- Establishing all possible explanations to account for the phenomenon and, if possible ...
- Setting up and executing a series of strictly controlled tests or observations designed to systematically and rationally eliminate the wrong possibilities and establish which accounts for the phenomenon in question.
What's truly interesting is that you don't come up with your own definition. You see unlike you, I am prepared to consider other ideas if given a persuasive reason to do so (I even consider them, albeit briefly, when they aren't persuasive) ... that you didn't come up with a suggestion/modification demonstrates to me that you have no real comeback! IOW you're dodging just like you always do ... go on now Frodo, start whining like always, keep dodging!
(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't have to dismiss any of the above to hold my worldview. I just don't limit it to only those, as it's impossible to do so and remain rational
Or MAYBE (and here's a thought for you) you could actually come up with a more concrete responses and say something like ... not bad Kyu, but I think you need to include this (whatever that is)!
(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(August 31, 2009 at 4:28 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: To quote Spock ("Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"), "An ancestor of mine maintained that when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."So you are, by allegiance with that statement, 100% certain there is no God. This is not what you've said before, a position regarded as the lunatic fringe.
It doesn't say that at all, doesn't even imply that because God is rejected by virtue of the scientific method! Outside of that, where have I EVER said I am 100% certain there is no God?
(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(August 31, 2009 at 4:28 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I may well end up believing in your god or some other but what it won't be is a choice! If you want to let your brains to fall out then be my guest!LOL well I dismiss bullshit too Kyu. As well as your bullshit that science will somehow answer all questions it does not, by definition, address.
And as I have said to you before (a point you always seem to refuse to deal with), just because you can define something as being beyond science doesn't mean it is so.
(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Of course the absurdity you're claiming is that God will be scientifically proven. How illogical does this serious evaluation of facts let you be? Incredibly & extremely illogical it would seem. I don't think I'll be adopting that farcical POV any time soon thanks.
And I (and others) have given VERY good reasons why there would be evidence for a god if it actually existed as well as repeatedly pointed out to you that the amount of evidence existing for your god is exactly the same amount of evidence needed to explain nothing, the obvious corollary being that we need a method to distinguish your non-evidence supported god from a non-evidence supported nothing.
What, if there actually is no evidential difference, exactly is the point of your god and how do we distinguish it from something that isn't there?
Kyu
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