RE: Deism for non-believers
June 10, 2012 at 12:30 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2012 at 1:15 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 10, 2012 at 12:12 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I am going by the assumption that the material and immaterial don't interact.
Your assumptions only have value outside of a thought exercise if a truth value can be assigned to them. Again, if the immaterial and the material don't interact than all immaterial things are incapable of contradicting the natural world, so any immaterial being is exactly as plausible as your "pluasible god" (judged by the metric of not contradicting the natural world alone). Immaterial strawberry shortcake, for example. But how would we determine this?
Quote:Agreed, it could exist. I don't get the next part though.. apply it to the 'plausible god'.. so, it could exist even if it's completely in error? Maybe you meant to say something else?
You have good instincts. The concept [Bohrs Model] could exist even if it were not a factually accurate representation of the reality of [an atom] (or if there were no such thing as [an atom] at all). Now insert " a plausible god" in the brackets.
Quote:I see what you're saying, but the bird can't be inserted into my scale because my scale's requirement is that the 'being' has to at least posses the attribute of being a 'universe creator'. You need a new scale altogether that deals with hypothetical physical creatures or species, but would fail entirely because all the entries on the scale are making physical claims like an 80 foot bird that don't exist.
Why do I need a new scale, just add "that is a creator" to the birds attributes and the bird's creator bit is just as unlikely (read undemonstrated) as the gods creator bit but all the pros of the bird hypothesis (being that birds exist etc) remain. It's still more plausible by sheer force of the demonstrable existence of birds.
Quote:p.s. on a side note, aerodynamically it would not fly I'm sure. It would be way too heavy! There's a reason why the birds that do exist are the size that they are i.e. relatively small!
Tell that to Pterosaurs and 757's. In fairness, the largest bird we've ever found is estimated to have had a wingspan of only 23ft.
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