RE: Deism for non-believers
June 10, 2012 at 9:14 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2012 at 9:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 10, 2012 at 4:37 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I think I'm allowed to assume things because I'm not making the claim that the plausible god then exists based on these assumptions that can't be tested (like the immaterial properties). Through the scale we can come up with a theory for a god but we can't do much else after that.
By all means, assume things. As long as we agree that a concept or theory of a god does not constitute any actual being.
Quote:Haha.. ok so the bird is divine now. Well quite obviously this hypothesis gets shot down straight away. There is no such bird-god in existence. This example isn't any more plausible than my Most Tangible God in the OP because you have made a material claim and that claim is false.Why would the bird need to be divine to create the cosmos? You have evidence that an 80 foot bird didn't create the cosmos? Again, it's more plausible in that it invokes fewer unjustified assumptions. I don't have to assume a plausible bird exists, now do I? That it's just as pathetic as an origins story as a god goes without saying...but wasn't that precisely my point to begin with? You tell me that I have made a material claim that is false and yet you feel comfortable assuming that there is some plausible god that makes this same material claim?
Quote:I did mention somewhere that the bare minimum for a god to be included in my scale was that it must have created the universe. Do you think that's in violation of physics?
Depends on how this god did the creating, but whether or not it's "in violation of physics" is irrelevant to me, what is relevent is that it is an interacting god who could be measured by way of determining its influence. It becomes a falsifiable proposition and possible for us to test empirically, and at that point thought exercises would be the proper tool for the job exactly how? (I do recall you mentioning that for you a plausible god falls on the scale somewhere around not interacting with our world btw)
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