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No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
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RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
(June 18, 2012 at 1:28 am)GhostofZeus Wrote:
(June 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Drich Wrote: Again you have twisted what I have said.

One sin, any sin is punishable by the second death/Hell. If you have committed one sin, then you are guilty of breaking all of them. James 2:10 You might follow all of God’s law. But if you fail to obey only one command, you are guilty of breaking all the commands in that law. 11 God said, “Don’t commit adultery.” [c] The same God also said, “Don’t kill.” [d] So if you don’t commit adultery, but you kill someone, you are guilty of breaking all of God’s law.

So if you are guilty of sinning once then you can not 'avoid sin' as your way to heaven. For there is Nothing Man Can Do to Wash away his own sin. So one must seek an alternitive to entering heaven aside from trying to live a sin free life. This alternitive is provided By the Blood sacerfice Christ made. when we live in the attonement of Christ then we cease seeking 'Righteousness' through our own deeds. For Righteousness (or the quality of, or rightness needed to enter heaven) can no longer be earned by a man who has sinned (even once) The Righteousness needed to enter heaven is a gift from God so that no man should boast. Meaning anyone who enters heaven does not deserve to be there. We are there simply because we have accepted His invitation.

That means we take 'good works' off of the table in biblical Christianity as a means to 'earn or deserve' Heaven. So why do we do good works and avoid sin? The answer is a simple one. Because we love God, and God hates sin. If we loved God to the degree required in scripture, then why would we seek to be outside of his will? If a man truly loves his wife does he seek every oppertunity he can get to cheat on her? No. Love dictates that we live for the other, and not for ourselves.

The Goal here is an all encompassing love for God. Not the empty motions of it.

I don't see how go from a scripture quote that implies if you commit one sin you commit all sins to "one must seek an alternitive to entering heaven aside from trying to live a sin free life." You provide a lot of your interpretation of the bible but provide no further references to support that interpretation.

That aside, I see your argument as contradictory:

1. avoiding sin won't help you get to heaven as we are all sinners
2. the way to heaven is to love god
3. god hates sin
4. we show our love for god by avoiding sin

If I follow your argument correctly, I believe, I arrive back at my original claim: you need to avoid sin to get to heaven?

What you do is meaningless. There are many (according to Christ in mt7) who not only avoid sin but perform great miricals in his name, but are cast out of heaven. Why? Because again what you do is less important that why you do it. Christ says those who do not do the will of my father, what is His will what is His greatest command? To love the Lord God with all of your being, the second is to love your neighbor as your self. Greatest command was not to avoid sin. Or to do good things in his name.. It was to love God. In said love things like avoiding sin happen, but are not the keys to heaven. Love for God is the key. For a man who goes through the motions of christianity but has no love for God is just as condemned as the unrepentant sinner. Works in of themselves mean nothing.
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RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 18, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 18, 2012 at 11:19 pm
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 19, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 20, 2012 at 11:25 pm
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 21, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 21, 2012 at 11:02 am
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Drich - June 21, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Thor - June 21, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven? - by Annik - June 18, 2012 at 12:59 am

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