RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
June 21, 2012 at 12:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm by Thor.)
(June 21, 2012 at 12:11 am)Drich Wrote: Again this is more evidence that you were never apart of a church. How do you not know the division between the Old testamentand the New after 20 years?
Of course I know the division between the OT and the NT! The OT is where "God" is an angry, vengeful prick who kills indiscriminately. The NT is where "God" is a loving, forgiving, beneficent being who absolves us of everything.
Either this book speaks of two completely different deities, or your god had a personality transplant.
Quote:I did and it was given back 20x maybe 30x's over.
What do you mean "given back"? Did this deity appear to you and say, "Hey! You sold all your possessions and gave the money to the poor like I said! Since you gave away $1,000, here's $20,000 to reward you!"? Did somebody walk up to you on the street and hand you thousands of dollars? Or are you just filtering events through your religious prism and concluding that you were somehow "paid back" because you received some sort of unexpected windfall?
Quote:Not only was everything material offered to God, i gave of myself, my time and my all in all.
Okay, great! But do you have any possessions now? I'm guessing you must at least own a computer. In that case, why don't you sell everything you now own and give the money to the poor?
Quote:Many times. He never spoke back.
Quote:What did you say?
What difference does it make? This deity won't respond no matter what you ask.
Quote:Did you make yourself known to him? Did you give your all in all?
Why should I have to make myself known? Isn't this omnipotent deity aware of me? If anything, I would expect him to pay special attention to people who are moving toward disbelief. You'd think he'd want to reassure us that he is really there.
Quote:How could I possibly be in "the wrong place" when this deity is supposedly everywhere?
Quote:Because You were told to be at X, but you are waiting at Y speaking into an empty box. It's not that God is not at X, It's just He is not going to reach out to you till you meet Him where He told you to be, at Y.
Except that this deity never told me anything. So the how the hell am I supposed to know where to show up?
Quote:If the President Tells you to meet His at the White House on such and such date/time, do you wait at the Wendy's up the street a day late and demand that He meet you there?
See above comment.
Quote:Understand God is not here to serve you,
Your own words seem to contradict this statement...
Quote:Heaven is not about what you have done, it about what God has done for you
Quote: or to do magic tricks for you till your convinced that He exists.
Again, not looking for "magic tricks". Just something that convinces me he's real.
Quote:If you want to know God He has given you a very narrow path to follow, One that He promises to respond to. This is your invitation. If you do not respond according to the instructions He left then He will simply move on without you. God does not Need you like you need Him. You are not in a position to bargin or reason.
Unsubstantiated hooey.
Quote:You need attonement for any and all of the things you have thought said or did not in the expressed will of God.
See above comment.
Quote:While men with millions of 'good gandi deeds are eternally seperated. I have heard Jeffery Dalmer's testimony, if his heart matches his words he will be in Heaven.
I can only imagine walking around the streets of heaven and you see the guy who tortured and murdered you enjoying himself. My reaction would be, "What THE FUCK is HE doing here?!?!? Are you SHITTING ME?!?!?"
Quote:Then your deity sets the bar incredibly low for entry into paradise.
Quote:The bar was set low at the price of His son.
But wasn't his son actually himself? So he sacrificed himself to himself to remove a curse that he himself put on mankind....

Quote:Q: Do you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
Yes.
CONGRATULATIONS! You're in!
Quote:Seriously you think this is all that it takes? Do you have actual scripture, or is this more from your 20 years?
This is pretty much what you admitted to when you said that Jeffrey Dahmer could be in heaven.
Quote:Again, who are you that the Creator of the Universe must appear before you when He is summoned?
Who said he has to appear personally? He can't send one of his minions?
Quote:Does that work with the leaders of our nations for you? Does it work with celeberities you are interested in meeting? does it even work with your mom everytime you summon her?
Uhhh.... none of those people are omnipotent.
Quote:The Creator of Everything has set a perscribed path or issued a very specific set of instructions for all who want to Find Him. All anyone must do is follow that path, and He will be at the end of it. If you want to see God FOLLOW HIS PATH!
And Muslims say I should follow their path. Hindus say I should follow their path. What makes your path the right one?
Quote: Understand in the History of Man, God has never chased down and begged for anyone's attention. So why would you think He would do this for you?
So that whole business of drowning virtually everyone on the planet... that wasn't intended to get our attention?
Quote:God is waiting (via promises people claim He has made)
Fixed that for you.
Quote:For He has told us He hides Himself from people like you.
My, how convenient! This deity will show himself to believers (of course, only in some non-specific, unverifiable way) but he will hide from skeptics.
"Of course God won't show himself to you! You don't believe!"
What a bunch of malarkey.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?