RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
June 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm
(June 21, 2012 at 12:55 pm)Thor Wrote: Of course I know the division between the OT and the NT! The OT is where "God" is an angry, vengeful prick who kills indiscriminately. The NT is where "God" is a loving, forgiving, beneficent being who absolves us of everything.
Appearently not. After 20 years in Christianity you do not know the difference between OT judaism and NT Christianity. (just incase someone asks you in the future)
Quote:Either this book speaks of two completely different deities, or your god had a personality transplant.
Same God Same wrath, the difference is attonement. This is what the blood of Christ has bought you. The freedom to live a life in rebellion.
Quote:What do you mean "given back"? Did this deity appear to you and say, "Hey! You sold all your possessions and gave the money to the poor like I said! Since you gave away $1,000, here's $20,000 to reward you!"? Did somebody walk up to you on the street and hand you thousands of dollars? Or are you just filtering events through your religious prism and concluding that you were somehow "paid back" because you received some sort of unexpected windfall?
Again answered in my Message/Messenger Thread.
Quote:Okay, great! But do you have any possessions now?
No, I am just a Steward. I will and have given back anything the Lord asks.
Quote:I'm guessing you must at least own a computer.
again no, the Company God has me looking after owns several Computers.
Quote:What difference does it make?
Because God has told us what to say inorder to gardner a response. If you did not say these things then you are right it makes no difference.
Quote:This deity won't respond if you ask from a position of pride.
Since we are now in the business of 'fixing' each others statements.
Quote:Why should I have to make myself known?
Because you have been told to.
Quote:Isn't this omnipotent deity aware of me?
All the more reason to do as you have been instructed. (after 20 years in the church surely someone has told you what God expects from you.)
Quote: If anything, I would expect him to pay special attention to people who are moving toward disbelief. You'd think he'd want to reassure us that he is really there.
The right of disbelief is the sole purpose of this life. Why would He give life to allow disbelief, just to force belief in the long run?
Quote:Except that this deity never told me anything. So the how the hell am I supposed to know where to show up?
How can you say that you search for God and never once in 20 year open your bible and read it? Were you not looking for the God of the bible (You claimed you sought after Him for 20 years) Did it not occour to you to look in the bible for the God of the bible? If you did then you have received your instructions.
Quote:Your own words seem to contradict this statement...
Please cut and paste what has confused you.
Quote:I can only imagine walking around the streets of heaven and you see the guy who tortured and murdered you enjoying himself. My reaction would be, "What THE FUCK is HE doing here?!?!? Are you SHITTING ME?!?!?"
There is a parable that speaks to this if you wish to read it.
Quote:But wasn't his son actually himself?
Nope, read my thread on the trinity explained.
Quote:This is pretty much what you admitted to when you said that Jeffrey Dahmer could be in heaven.
Actually I din't say what Jeffery said. I said if His Heart reflects his words He will have found forgiveness for His sins. Salvation is a matter of the Heart not a verbal delicration.
Quote:Who said he has to appear personally?
You did.
Quote:Uhhh.... none of those people are omnipotent.
So?
Quote:And Muslims say I should follow their path.
Actually you are not qualified in the strictest sense to follow their path,
Quote:Hindus say I should follow their path.
Actually no they don't, but one is offered if you wish to follow it.
Quote:What makes your path the right one?
Because none of the others offer to put you before the God of the bible in attoned righteousness.
Quote: Understand in the History of Man, God has never chased down and begged for anyone's attention. So why would you think He would do this for you?
Quote:So that whole business of drowning virtually everyone on the planet... that wasn't intended to get our attention?
Read the story and you tell me. I'll even tell you where to look. Before Noah was even given the command to build the Ark God gives His reason for cleansing the earth. Wicked Man was only a small part of a 'larger' problem.
Quote:My, how convenient! This deity will show himself to believers (of course, only in some non-specific, unverifiable way) but he will hide from skeptics.
If He didn't 'skeptics' would not exist. Therefore elimating 'free will.'