(June 28, 2012 at 12:09 am)Epimethean Wrote: Some reading for our female knuckledragger.So basically you have absolutely nothing which suggests Cardinal Bertrone covered up abuse? Lovely.
"Says something I disagree with" (and I disagree with him as well, mind) =/= "Covered up pedophilia" thank you.
Quote:And, since you are claiming that the Vatican itself has never covered up child abuse:Ugh wow.
1-3) The first letter says absolutely nothing about reporting people to the police or not--rather it notes that some of the instructions in their own framework document don't comply with Vatican norms, and also there is some "reservations" about their own reporting policy (and just that, not an "order"), in which the Irish norms specifically don't allow for exceptions on behalf of the victims:
"The recommended reporting policy may deter such people from coming forward or may be perceived by those who do come forward as an insensitive and heavy-handed response by Church authorities. This is particularly so where the complaint relates to incidents of abuse many years earlier.
Nonetheless, undertakings of absolute confidentiality should not be given but rather the information should be expressly received within the terms of this reporting policy."
And its true that it is semi-problematic and does need to be given thought. As a former abuse victim myself I agree that it can be an ugly situation, and I am unsure of the answer in these types of cases. Nothing in it says to "keep it within the Church". That's a total invention of your own articles and an ugly one at that.
The second of these letters (in #3) doesn't involve any child abuse at all either so I'm not going to bother looking up the supporting documentation for it.
2) This is just heresay from a German politician with no evidence backing her up.
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