Rant of logic: There is no such thing as a "Christian"

[Mister Agenda]

Do you practice what you are preaching here, I bet not, I bet not even close. I could list many things I've done to help those in need, then you would respond that I was bragging.

I could list many things I've done to help those in need, then you would respond that I was bragging.

Know what I think of you and the others that return negative comments, you hate it when others help people in need, if you do not believe me go read your comments with honesty.

I love it when anyone helps those in need.

What you are promoting is socialistic state, yes there are many who live under socialism and it just does not work.

Not at all. I am suggesting that if you're sincere in your belief that the fate of your eternal soul is on the line, you might consider trying to follow the example of Jesus and the early Christians voluntarily. I didn't say anything about anyone being forced to give more than they are willing to or about the government owning the means of production. It's not your generosity that I doubt, it's your commitment to living your life in such a way as to maximize the likelihood you'll find yourself among the saved.

Not true, when people do not earn things, they have no ambition to help themselves, just look at the welfare program in the US, we now have three generations of the same families living on the backs of good hard working citizens, helping is one thing, enabling is plain wrong.

No one's asking you to enable. No one's asking you to do it like the welfare system does. If you have firm ideas on what sort of help the poor really need to improve their situation, then you know exactly how to spend your money to do so.

It's better to give people the ability to help themselves than to hand them stuff. Those who have immediate needs, those needs need to be meet by us.

Now you're making excuses not to give more. Excuses based on politics are irrelevant. No one is dictating on how you should give or how much. The only relevant issue in this conversation is whether truly following the teachings of Jesus implies that you devote the excess beyond what you need to live decently and keep your employment. If you don't believe that, just say so.

Since only Christians understand the need for spiritual needs through Christ there's no need to say any more.

Yes, the only people in the world are Christians and atheists....

Do you give all you things away, are you an enabler, one plate, cook pot, fork, spoon, knife to supply you eating needs, bet you have more.

It's possible to constructively help people without enabling them. I don't agree with the teaching of Jesus and the early Christians that all my excess above what I absolutely need should be given to the poor. Do you?

You do not even understand the statement I made, so who are you to judge me, you have no idea how much I do for others, until you learn work on your own problems.

I gauge how entitled I am to judge someone based on how judgemental they are, so you're pretty near the top of my list of who I'm entitled to judge right now.

According to you, depending on God is the smarter choice IMO.

Then why don't you do that instead of preparing for contingencies?

Besides I never said that one should not look forward to tomorrow, I said one should not worry about tomorrow.

Buying insurance isn't looking forward to tomorrow, it's making sure you have extra resources in case something bad happens.

Were you a sincere believer, you would see and understand the teachings of Christ. Your talking like one who needs to do works to be sure, that's why the study of scripture is so important, self pride detracts from our God, having pride in things accomplished for good helps keep people interested in their work. Humility is understanding that God has given you the ability to accomplish things and that the gift you have is your's by grace, Christian or not. If you do not believe in God it is impossible for you to be humble in His eyes.

If you think you have a special understanding of the teachings of Christ, you're not humble in anyone's eyes.

I have not said I live up to Christ's standards, actually far from it, I try and many times I fail, that is exactly why I need Him.

Hint: laying off judging others so much is one of the things you need him to help you work on.

I have not tied to defend not giving all my stuff away, actually I have not drawn a paycheck in over a year, and I still give where I see needs that are important. He is the one who keeps bringing treasures in heaven like they were physical riches, which they are not, all our needs will be met and even more. If you were a sincere believer you would know this.

I don't have to be a sincere believer to know that advocating giving things away to help those in need is not being materialistic. I just have to not be an idiot.

God does not give everyone the same missions in their lives, some are to give off their time, or talents, others of their wealth that God has bless them with. If Christians are doing this they are humbling doing for others, unlike these non profit organizations who pay people 100s of thousands of dollars of the top of what they collect.

Ah, the teachings of Jesus are like a Chinese menu, you're not expected to follow all of them. You really do have a special understanding of the teachings of Jesus.

As far as salvation goes, yes, the scriptures are quite clear on this, Christ himself said only through Him and being God He would know for certain.

I'm pretty sure that, nevertheless, he recommended giving everything you don't really need to the poor. Maybe that's not a requirement for salvation so you can ignore it.

I think you are ignorant, ignorant of the fact that you and he are not Christians and you can not see the spiritual parts of God's work, so why try to explain, I've tried for two years and no one will open their ears.

You've tried for two years and still think you know where your talents lie? Why do you guys never try to be the kind of people anyone would want to be like? After two years, no one goes, hey, Godschild, I don't agree with him but you've got to admit he's sincerely trying to be as Christlike as he can. We could have been saying that, but that's not how you've chosen to spend your time here.

God said, a man must live a perfectly sinless life to receive a place in heaven, those slip ups you mentioned they are sins also, sins that unforgiven will put one in hell.

Maybe you should consider apologizing for them.

God is the One saying a person must be perfect. Christ taught these thing so we could be better people, but living by these teachings without a real belief in Christ will not help you get into heaven, received grace through faith is one's only way into heaven, through this faith one will be seen as perfect, why, because Christ will be standing in front of us, it will be Christ's perfection the Father will see.

I don't see that you're making much of an effort. How much do you get to coast and still get in?

You have read enough of my post to know that's not what I was saying, unless you're that dumb, which I do not believe. What I do know is this , you like controversy, so you will make statements to bring it about. Not impressed either.

You're right, I knew you were just preaching. I shouldn't give you a hard time about it, it's not like you made any agreement to not indulge in it with us.

That's awesome. So simple and yet so many miss out and that's sad.

You don't seem like you've got something awesome in your life. You seem like you like having something in your life that lets you feel like your better than people who don't agree with you.

If any man tries to get to heaven on his/her opinion, well what can I say, they want. If one earns their way into heaven one would boast and could say to God see I did this, same problem Lucifer had.

We're not trying to get into heaven. We help people because we want to.

Your info is wrong, there is no way 80% of America is Christian, not even close. I would be surprised if it were 30%.

Take it up with the people who say they're Christian in the polls.

I do not see the Church braggin', that's your over worked imagination at work.

Then let me hear you say it: Christians aren't special when it comes to helping the poor. Can YOU resist bragging about it?

So, when the likes of Bill Gates makes a huge public announcement he's giving away his money that's humble, right-o, Hollywood stars and all the like are on TV all the time spouting what they do, humble right.

I don't care why people give or how humble about it they are. I'm just glad they give.

You all criticize Christians all the time about not doing for others, it's you who have no idea of what we do and that's the way we want it.

We're not criticizing them for not giving. We're critcizing them for not living up to their own teachings while telling others we need to be like them or go to hell.

I will tell you this, if the Church quite doing what we do, the government could not raise enough money to accomplish the same work, nor could they find the people to do it for the same small wage most get for doing this work.

Believe it or not, countries that are predominantly humanist manage to do at least as well as the USA at helping the poor.

Most missionaries have to raise the money they need and pay for the college education they need to go serve over seas, most live at a poverty level.

That's great. They're setting a good example. You are too, I'm sure, but theirs is up to NT standards.

On a side note, I hope you find work soon. I know it's rough out there.