RE: The debate is over
June 30, 2012 at 5:59 am
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2012 at 6:09 am by Norfolk And Chance.)
(June 30, 2012 at 5:47 am)Micah Wrote: How is it hardly a "biggie" if Jesus did exist? Did you even read all of my post? Or did you just copy and paste? Papias' writings of Mark add to the veracity of the gospels, which would, in turn, add to the veracity of Jesus' divinity. That is a HUGE deal.
You say that none of the argument is any evidence of god/the supernatural. How so? If Mark's gospel is reliable, per Papias' writings, then Jesus would be divine. Therefore, he is god and did create the universe. All of that comes with his divinity. All that has to be proven is Mark's account because the other two synoptic gospels are derived from him. The above is a good argument for the veracity of Mark, which would prove that god exists.
Just because somebody says they witnessed some dude performing magic, does not mean that dude really performed magic, even if you can completely prove that the witness was actually writing about a real man.
(June 30, 2012 at 5:53 am)Micah Wrote: You say that if god(s) created the universe, then we must ask "who/what created them?" Why do we have to ask that? If the universe could have always existed, why couldn't god(s) always have existed? There is no reason god(s) must be removed from the same logic you apply to the universe.
You're not really getting it are you?
First of all the statement "god created the universe, god did not need creating, because he is eternal." is a claim made by christians...
My logical response "well why couldn't the universe be eternal instead? If so, then there would be no need for god" is not a claim that there could not be a god, therefore nothing is being removed from any logic according to your rules.
I'm simply saying that there is no need for a god as far as I can tell.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
