RE: The debate is over
June 30, 2012 at 7:35 am
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2012 at 7:43 am by Light of Truth.)
Norfolk and Chance,
No. I'm an atheist. Why would I try to prove to you that Jesus is god? I am saying that is is possible, not likely, but possible. And I don't think that you can truly disagree with me.
In regards to the rest of what you said, it just seems like you are trying so hard to be an atheist. I do not try to be anything. I merely seek truth. From what I have gathered, you simply WANT to be an atheist. We will have to agree to disagree. It has truly been fun debating with you tonight/this morning.
Skepsis,
I have been referencing Jesus throughout this whole thread. If Mark is reliable, then Jesus is god. Therefore, Jesus and god are not separate entities, but the same, which is why I said the FSM cannot be compared to Jesus (god). I am an atheist, but I have been operating under the assumption that Mark is reliable, which can be backed up with evidence.
I don't sit around and think about what all is possible. I think about what is probable. Jesus being god (Irenaeus -> Papias -> Mark's account of what Peter [an eye witness] knew) is something that is not just possible (like solipsism), but something that actually has some evidence.
It is hilarious to me that people are seriously comparing Jesus to the FSM. There is evidence for Jesus' divinity. The FSM was made up in response to Jesus, albeit at a later date. Both are possible, but the FSM is NOT probable. Jesus is a lot more probable than the FSM. Come on, people.
I am a soft atheist (agnostic atheist). I do not know whether or not there is a god (or gods), and you don't either. Based on what I see around me, I don't think that there is a god (or gods). Everyone should be soft atheists, in my opinion.
Quote: Does it prove that jesus was the son of god? No.
No. I'm an atheist. Why would I try to prove to you that Jesus is god? I am saying that is is possible, not likely, but possible. And I don't think that you can truly disagree with me.
In regards to the rest of what you said, it just seems like you are trying so hard to be an atheist. I do not try to be anything. I merely seek truth. From what I have gathered, you simply WANT to be an atheist. We will have to agree to disagree. It has truly been fun debating with you tonight/this morning.
Skepsis,
Quote: Do you even understand what the FSM relates to? It is analogous to God. Not Jesus. I don't look to this as a be-all end-all, but it is ilustrative of my point that sitting around mentally stroking yourself, wondering what's possilbe, is a waste of time. Admitting that anything is possible is one thing, but to discuss it with any seriousness is another.
And just for kicks, I figure I'd make it clear that I'm apathetic towards the idea of Jesus's existence. I haven't looked into it, and don't care to. I generally concede his existence when spoken to on the subject. That said, his divinity is another matter entirely. Conceding Jesus is simple, but conceding the divine nature of his pig exorcisms and the whatnots is just silly without some crazy evidence. And I'm not talking about some vague, almost ambigous reference from a historian about "Jesus" that could have been a reference to Christian dogma at the time.
I have been referencing Jesus throughout this whole thread. If Mark is reliable, then Jesus is god. Therefore, Jesus and god are not separate entities, but the same, which is why I said the FSM cannot be compared to Jesus (god). I am an atheist, but I have been operating under the assumption that Mark is reliable, which can be backed up with evidence.
I don't sit around and think about what all is possible. I think about what is probable. Jesus being god (Irenaeus -> Papias -> Mark's account of what Peter [an eye witness] knew) is something that is not just possible (like solipsism), but something that actually has some evidence.
It is hilarious to me that people are seriously comparing Jesus to the FSM. There is evidence for Jesus' divinity. The FSM was made up in response to Jesus, albeit at a later date. Both are possible, but the FSM is NOT probable. Jesus is a lot more probable than the FSM. Come on, people.
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I'm not being funny, but you're not much of an atheist are you?
I am a soft atheist (agnostic atheist). I do not know whether or not there is a god (or gods), and you don't either. Based on what I see around me, I don't think that there is a god (or gods). Everyone should be soft atheists, in my opinion.
"God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8).
"Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you" (1 Peter 3:15).
"Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you" (1 Peter 3:15).
