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The debate is over
RE: The debate is over
(July 2, 2012 at 5:25 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 30, 2012 at 6:05 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Isn't that the whole thing with religion, Fr0ds? No matter which way you're coming at it, it IS all a matter of view.

No. It's a matter of understanding information. Lack of understanding = lack of belief. Belief = informed choice.

I would hope to believe of you that you've thought about what you believe and have reached an informed descision. Religion or no religion that remains the same.

Oh please, Fr0dz, drop the "you don't believe just because you don't understand" argument, that one got old years ago. It got old back when I actually DID believe. The very thing that drove me most from being a believer was having far too many questions, and far too few satisfactory answers. Oh there ARE answers, sure...and they all sound half-assed and far too convenient. The problem with religion is that it tries to simplify everything into the contexts of black and white, and in life there is very little black and white; virtually everything, not literally, but virtually, is in shades of grey. Plus there's the fact that if you look through the bible and any other religious texts AFTER you take off the rose-tinted glasses it all suddenly starts betraying its man-made tendencies. I understand perfectly. It is not a decision I came to because "atheism is cool" or some garbage or because I am a rebellious individual or whatnot, it's a decision I reached because reconciliation is simply not possible. I chose to become religious at a young age. It was not forced nor even introduced to me. I willingly pursued it. I wasn't indoctrinated into it, I pursued it on my own accord. But after accumulated weeks of time of reading through the bible, asking questions of ministers, fellow adherents, even bishops of the Catholic church, the answers I got were always unsatisfactory.

Yes. I understand. I probably understand far better than you, in fact, which is precisely why I don't believe.
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The debate is over - by Opsnyder - June 28, 2012 at 8:10 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 28, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 29, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - June 29, 2012 at 5:00 am
RE: The debate is over - by Tiberius - June 29, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 2, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 29, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Simon Moon - June 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - June 30, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Anomalocaris - July 2, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Welsh cake - June 28, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 29, 2012 at 3:36 am
RE: The debate is over - by Simon Moon - June 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: The debate is over - by WeAreTheGods - July 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tiberius - June 29, 2012 at 4:09 am
RE: The debate is over - by 5thHorseman - June 29, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: The debate is over - by padraic - June 29, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 29, 2012 at 4:18 am
RE: The debate is over - by Angrboda - June 29, 2012 at 5:22 am
RE: The debate is over - by KichigaiNeko - June 29, 2012 at 8:34 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 29, 2012 at 9:23 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 29, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 29, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Minimalist - June 29, 2012 at 8:31 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 2:52 am
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 30, 2012 at 4:12 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:02 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 4:49 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 5:08 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 4:50 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 5:19 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 5:22 am
RE: The debate is over - by Xyster - June 30, 2012 at 5:40 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 5:47 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 6:19 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 6:29 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 6:15 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 6:30 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 6:50 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 6:49 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 7:06 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 6:57 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 7:29 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 7:43 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 7:48 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 8:24 am
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 30, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 7:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The debate is over - by Xyster - June 30, 2012 at 7:58 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 8:05 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 8:32 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 8:23 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: The debate is over - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:11 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:35 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 9:42 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 10:00 am
RE: The debate is over - by Simon Moon - June 30, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RE: The debate is over - by LastPoet - June 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 1, 2012 at 2:22 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Ace Otana - June 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - July 1, 2012 at 2:40 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 1, 2012 at 8:38 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - July 1, 2012 at 6:30 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 1, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: The debate is over - by padraic - July 2, 2012 at 12:49 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2012 at 5:25 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - July 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 3, 2012 at 9:19 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 2, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 2, 2012 at 9:12 am
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RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 2, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 2, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Minimalist - July 2, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 11:55 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - July 3, 2012 at 6:42 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 3, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by dean211284 - July 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - July 4, 2012 at 7:57 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 4, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 4, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 4, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 5, 2012 at 6:38 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 5, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 6, 2012 at 5:29 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2012 at 7:16 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 6, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: The debate is over - by Ace Otana - July 6, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 5, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 4, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 4, 2012 at 9:24 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 6, 2012 at 10:36 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 6, 2012 at 10:38 am
Re: RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 7, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 7, 2012 at 4:12 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - July 8, 2012 at 2:49 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 6, 2012 at 5:01 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 6, 2012 at 5:17 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 6, 2012 at 10:03 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 8, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 9, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 9, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 9, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 9, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: The debate is over - by Mister Agenda - July 9, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: The debate is over - by WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth - July 13, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RE: The debate is over - by padraic - July 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm

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