The debate is over

[fr0d0]

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You seem to have taken that too personally Creed. How can you be uncommitted to something you fully understand? Are you uncommitted to your current stance? I presume not, and that your current stance represents your best understanding. Or you are the first to declare Cognitive Dissonance as your atheistic stance that I'm aware of. Or does Non Cognitivist cover that??

When someone accuses me of not being informed on a topic I am informed on, yes, I tend to take it on a slightly personal level. I'm not exaggerating the "slight," however; it is only a minor annoyance. Now, you can always be uncommitted to something you fully grasp. I fully grasp the nature of love, for example, though I am not committed to being in love. I ONCE was, though, which is largely what the case was with my beliefs. My current stance, well, I suppose you could say I am committed to it, in the sort of way one becomes committed via not being convinced of something. Can't really say I see your point there. Grasping for straws, hm?

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I don't remember accusing you personally. Perhaps it's interesting the way you took it
You're interested in opposing religion. Not the same thing as interest in religion as a participant. That also informs your worldview, so it's quite important.

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Reality is what I claim. If you claim that there is no such thing as non empirical then that's up to you to prove against the hard evidence.

Completely meaningless statement.

Reality in essence is that which can be measured.

Since by your own admission god CAN"T be measured he cannot therefore be part of reality.

So reality is not on your side.

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Not only by my admission > by proffession of Christianity - my faith.

But you missed the point. I'm sticking to real life. You are fantasizing about your material world. Reality consists of more than can be measured, and the burden of proof lies with yourself if you wish to oppose that. Like empirical proofs of God, your proofs are rarer than chicken teeth.

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Taqi in effect said:
"Baaa"

Do you feel sheepish Taqi?