Big Bang Theory

[CliveStaples]

I love and hate discussions like this. I love them when science is talking about science. I hate them though when a theist tries to insert a who with the stupid "painting has a painter" argument.

It is true we do not know at this point. But even Hawkins has said that a god is not required. I agree.

If one can accept that a hurricane is not caused by an ocean god, but the conditions of the atmosphere why cant the universe be the product of conditions and not a who?

The other thing theists miss is that nature is not all random or all predictable. A hurricane starts out because of multiple smaller factors. The conditions are predictable, but the exact number of clouds, shape, exact number of raindrops and the individual paths of each raindrop are the random part.

Science could go either way as far as this universe being the product of the death of a prior one, or it could be that this all came from nothing, we simply do not know. But whatever happened does not require a thinking entity to cause it.

And the theist would be, even if we said a god was required, which I flat out reject, would still be stuck with "which one"? And how convenient it always leads to the one they claim.

I like to ask the claimants of the god caused universe, would they buy this argument from someone with a different god claim?

"Science could go either way"? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Are you an expert in physics? Cosmology?

It's easy to see why a theist shouldn't look at the Big Bang and say, "Look, this means the universe was created! Hence a creator!" But I think it's just as wrong, and just as stupidly bandwagoning, for someone to look at one way that a scientist characterizes his understanding and say, "Yeah, that corresponds to what I believe! It must be the best way to understand it!"

I think it's sloppy thinking to just parrot smart people who say things that agree with what you already thought. And if you're not making an effort to understand the physics, then you're not bothering to actually understand for yourself.