RE: Modern examples of gullibility as evidence against Christian claims
July 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm by FallentoReason.)
(July 12, 2012 at 12:40 pm)Godschild Wrote:(July 12, 2012 at 2:33 am)FallentoReason Wrote: How can you guys be so sure that Jesus fulfilled any prophecy if no NT writer saw Jesus for themselves?
You can't prove you assertion. All you care about is trying to show Mark is an allegory, which it is not, listening to unbelieving people did not help you.
You're right, I can't prove it 100% but there's more than enough reason to think that the modern Christian view is off.
I'll be writing up more threads showing where Mark copied the OT. The fact that it's arguably word for word is strong evidence he was deliberately referencing what Jews would have picked up on instantly; the OT.
(July 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm)Undeceived Wrote:'Tradition' would disagree with you about Mark. He was a disciple of Peter and NOT Jesus. Matthew and John are written in 3rd person. Please explain.(July 12, 2012 at 2:33 am)FallentoReason Wrote: How can you guys be so sure that Jesus fulfilled any prophecy if no NT writer saw Jesus for themselves?Mark, Matthew and John were eyewitness followers of Jesus.
Quote:We can reasonably conclude this because of the detail of their separate writingsThere are considerable differences between all of them. Mark has the least incredible miracles and almost no supernatural content AND not to mention no resurrection accounts. John is the most theologically advanced and in general an outlier.
Quote:and because other 1st and 2nd century writers mention them and/or quote their book, as well as internal agreement (http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6187).Irrelevant.
Quote: Jews were not known for their myths--they didn't have any (apart from what naysayers allege) and they considered such pagan works blasphemous.This is most likely why no Jew today would believe in Christ. Jesus and his 12 disciples = sun and the 12 zodiac signs. They most likely know about Christianity's Pagan roots.
Quote:Can you write a book in which your character fulfills several hundred predictions?But of course. Use the book that has the prophecies as the basis for your writing. Simple.
Quote:And sell it to a rigid, skeptical audience as history from within their lifetime?
FallentoReason, do you believe Jesus was a real man? Why or why not?
I believe Mark wasn't writing history. I'd say it wasn't mostly Jews that converted to the new religion but non-Jew Greeks that didn't get what Mark had done and mistook it for history.
I don't believe Jesus was a man given my interpretation of Mark is correct.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle