(July 11, 2012 at 5:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hinduism and Buddhism are about people even though they have many gods, they are mostly sustained in poor and illiterate places, the native American religions are sustained only by a few and within their own culture, Islam is relatively new, Judaism is the prophecy of Christianity, so yes I'm serious. Christianity crosses more barriers and people than any other religion has.

Are you drunk?

This is intellectually low even by your standard.

Here's Godschild's logic taken to the absurd: Since atheism is the default view of children, and all humans start off as children, atheism is the oldest belief in the world...therefore atheism is true.

Godschild Wrote:Hinduism and Buddhism are about people even though they have many gods, they are mostly sustained in poor and illiterate places,

The Asian nations where Hinduism and Buddhism have historically thrived are quickly becoming economic powerhouses, and they're (even if in bastardised form) starting to take hold in the Western World, which is about as far from poor and illiterate as you can get.

Quote:Judaism is the prophecy of Christianity

Actually, it's not. Christians only think it foretells the coming of Christ. Do Your homework.

(July 11, 2012 at 5:47 pm)cato123 Wrote: [quAre you drunk?

This is intellectually low even by your standard.

His standard? How can he have any standard and still be christian?


When the religion of ancient Egyptians were as old as christianity is now, it had another 1500 strong years to go before petering out.

When the anatolian Leopard goddess cult/religion have existed for at least as long as christianity has existed now, it would have another 9000 years to go (4.5 times longer than the entire existence of christianity, 3 times longer than Judism + christianity, 1.5 times longer than xtians imagine the entire world to have existed)

Somehow I don't think christianity would even come close to becoming champions of longevity amongst stupid superstitions.

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(July 11, 2012 at 12:09 am)Drich Wrote: what episode did he have hair and what was the reason?

The episold when he needed something to stand on end upon hearing there used to be humanoids so stupid as to believe in the thing you believe in.

(July 11, 2012 at 1:25 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(July 11, 2012 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: ...

There is a problem with your reasoning, these things you mention are Johnny come lately's. They are not time tested and when they are IMO they will be long forgotten. Christianity has stood the test of time, many religions have come and gone but Christianity is still here and doing rather well. Oh and the things you mentioned and how much worse they would be in ancient times, well they were there in some form and are now gone. When something comes along has nothing to do with it lasting, it will last as long as truth is found in it.

Are you serious?

Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, and native american religions have stood the test of time too.

It does not follow that if a belief is old and has "stood the test of time" (whatever that 'test' actually involves), that therefore that belief is true.

Buddhism and Jainism have been around long before xtardism. Thanks for the disingenuous self-refuting asserton, though.

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(July 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Is there a name for this 'has stood the test of time' fallacy? Appeal to longevity, maybe?

Appeal to Tradition.

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(July 11, 2012 at 5:44 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 11, 2012 at 1:25 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Are you serious?

Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, and native american religions have stood the test of time too.

It does not follow that if a belief is old and has "stood the test of time" (whatever that 'test' actually involves), that therefore that belief is true.

Hinduism and Buddhism are about people even though they have many gods, they are mostly sustained in poor and illiterate places, the native American religions are sustained only by a few and within their own culture, Islam is relatively new, Judaism is the prophecy of Christianity, so yes I'm serious. Christianity crosses more barriers and people than any other religion has.

The Buddha's own liberative teachings are atheistic. If xtardianity "crosses more barriers" -- which I highly doubt -- it is because it is mandated that you infect the rest of the world with your insanity.

(July 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

Godschild Wrote:Judaism is the prophecy of Christianity

Actually, it's not. Christians only think it foretells the coming of Christ. Do Your homework.

Here are 351 prophecies Jesus did fulfill: http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/...ecies.html
In answer to your homework page's alleged unfulfilled prophecies,

A. Ezekiel 37:26-28 says "I will put my sanctuary among them forever" and "My dwelling place will be with them". This is a prophecy of the Holy Spirit. As Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:16 asks, "Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?"

B. Isaiah 43:7 specifies "everyone who is called by my name," meaning not just the Jews. This is an end times prophecy, once Christ returns to separate the sheep (believers) from the goats (unbelievers).

C. Isaiah 2:4 is taken out of context. Isaiah 2:2 says, “In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.” Also end times. Where does it mention the Messiah?

D. In a clearer translation, Zechariah 14:9 states, “The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.” Nothing is said about the unification of mankind. God will rule, that’s it. End times.

The problem with this page is it groups apocalyptic prophecies with messianic prophecies. Jews believe they are one and the same—that the Messiah will set up an earthly, physical kingdom over the entire world and that will be the end of all strife. Instead, Jesus had a job to do. With his death, he took the punishment for our sins. His life and sacrifice show us how to love. His resurrection promises victory. As Jesus in John 12:32 says, “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” He predicted the way he would die (lifted up on a cross) and what would be the result. Not only does Jesus fulfill over 350 OT prophecies, but his humble message is just what we would not expect.

How can you guys be so sure that Jesus fulfilled any prophecy if no NT writer saw Jesus for themselves?

Quote:When the religion of ancient Egyptians were as old as christianity is now, it had another 1500 strong years to go before petering out.

It really did not peter out. It was destroyed by xtian thugs.

Quote:Jews believe they are one and the same

And when are you going to learn that it is their fucking religion? Stop trying to tell jews how to be jews. You seem to have plenty of trouble with your own bullshit to bother about theirs.

Christianity is not more than the brutally, murderously abusive, unwanted, unplanned bastard offspring of Judism.

(July 12, 2012 at 1:14 am)Undeceived Wrote: Here are 351 prophecies Jesus did fulfill: http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/...ecies.html
In answer to your homework page's alleged unfulfilled prophecies,

Oh, my. Bullshit "prophecies". How come none of these things are ever specific? You know... something like, "In 1939 a nation called Germany will begin a worldwide conflagration by invading its neighbor. Their leader will attempt to exterminate all those people of the Jewish religion, but he will ultimately fail and die by his own hand."

Nope. It's always vague, nonspecific crap. Why is that? And if you're going to say "Jesus" fulfilled some prophecy or other, first you must demonstrate that this "Jesus" character existed.