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Obama and Guantanamo Bay
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay
(July 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm)Shell B Wrote: Being mistreated by another country is an excuse to be a terrorist in your own country?

The point is here that there are two groups of bad guys. There are the people who abused prisoners and the guilty prisoners themselves. You can't pretend there is only one bad side when there are clearly two. I guess that is something people will have to learn on their own. I'm sure they would sing a different tune if they were victims of the guilty prisoners.

An excuse? No, it isn't. Vengeance when directed at those not responsible is NEVER excusable. I don't say these individuals are vindicated at all, believe me. I'm just saying that I can see why they would be angry, and why they would join these causes. But understanding doesn't require sympathy. My sympathy is voided the moment they strike at someone who was not responsible for their situation or directly aided a situation that resulted in individuals not responsible being harmed, no matter how many hurdles they may jump through trying to justify it by some notion of 'complicit by inaction' or the usual garbage the terrorists always try to use. Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

The issue with Guantanamo is...well, it's complex. Like so many things it's not black and white. Me...I don't really support it, for a very simple reason; the destruction of principle. This country's justice system was designed so that you are innocent until proven guilty, so as to prevent the abuse of power by the government.

Benjamin Franklin said it best: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Basically...I would prefer the bad guy getting away to me becoming him. And alas, Guantanamo is basically us becoming the bad guy.

But, that's just my two cents, really.
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Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 14, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Minimalist - July 14, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Minimalist - July 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 14, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 15, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 15, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by padraic - July 14, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Minimalist - July 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 9:25 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by cratehorus - July 14, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by cratehorus - July 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by cratehorus - July 14, 2012 at 11:00 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by cratehorus - July 14, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Polaris - July 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Jackalope - July 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Autumnlicious - July 14, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 14, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Angrboda - July 15, 2012 at 6:38 am
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 14, 2012 at 10:59 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 7:25 am
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 9:37 am
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Angrboda - July 15, 2012 at 11:50 am
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Nine - July 15, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 4:23 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Hovik - July 15, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Autumnlicious - July 15, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Autumnlicious - July 15, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Cyberman - July 15, 2012 at 5:46 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Cyberman - July 15, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by goddamnit - July 15, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Nine - July 15, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Annik - July 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Tiberius - July 15, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Creed of Heresy - July 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Ashendant - July 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Creed of Heresy - July 16, 2012 at 1:56 am
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by Shell B - July 15, 2012 at 10:53 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by paintpooper - July 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RE: Obama and Guantanamo Bay - by jackman - July 30, 2012 at 8:19 pm

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