RE: Obama care
July 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm
(This post was last modified: July 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm by Darth.)
That's a tad harsh creed. Who said anything about him not donating his time or money to help people, we don't know if he does or doesn't (and he should be free to decide what he does with his time and stuff). Who would object to any of that voluntary good stuff, I object to people being forced to help people not of their own choosing. Poor starving kids in another country < neo-nazi dickhead in your own? Who wouldn't object to that nonsense?
Even you, wishing death upon somebody else, why should you be forced to foot the bill for the person you hate so much should they fall ill, and why should he have to foot the bill for you?
And have I earnt your hatred as well?
I also try my best to understand your point and empathize, you have a shitty healthcare system, which would be immensely frustrating (I don't live over there however so I'm not going to pretend I understand it as you might), I just don't think this is a viable, or ethical, solution. "I don't think health care should be something you have to pay for." It is, it always will be, only now you're all paying for it in a different way.
Also, to all the people claiming the nhs has definitely saved x person, or that everybody needs it at some point (downbeatplum). Nuh-uh.
For the sake of argument lets say it does improve healthcare, lets say it is wonderful, perfect even, a score of 100% (which we know isn't true). The fact that it exists means you're not relying on other systems (like the American one for instance, which we'll say is the second best possible, for the sake of argument [though we know that isn't true either]), which would exist in the absence of the nhs. Lets say the American system is downright abysmal and scores a very low 12% rating, well then, the NHS gets credit for 88%, not credit for 100%. Even if it were true that everybody did rely upon it at some point, that would be because they've already paid for it, so it exists in the place of alternatives, why pay for something when you've already paid for it?
Even you, wishing death upon somebody else, why should you be forced to foot the bill for the person you hate so much should they fall ill, and why should he have to foot the bill for you?
And have I earnt your hatred as well?
Quote:I see your point, Stue, but I just can't get over the fact that the health care system in our country is so badly broken. I want universal health care for our people. I don't think health care should be something you have to pay for. It is essential to maintain life. Now with that said we as a society should also exert more pressure on people to live more healthily. All I know is this, it's broken beyond belief and we need to do something to fix it. I don't know exactly what. I can just say this, at least Obama is trying to open the subject up.
I also try my best to understand your point and empathize, you have a shitty healthcare system, which would be immensely frustrating (I don't live over there however so I'm not going to pretend I understand it as you might), I just don't think this is a viable, or ethical, solution. "I don't think health care should be something you have to pay for." It is, it always will be, only now you're all paying for it in a different way.
Also, to all the people claiming the nhs has definitely saved x person, or that everybody needs it at some point (downbeatplum). Nuh-uh.
For the sake of argument lets say it does improve healthcare, lets say it is wonderful, perfect even, a score of 100% (which we know isn't true). The fact that it exists means you're not relying on other systems (like the American one for instance, which we'll say is the second best possible, for the sake of argument [though we know that isn't true either]), which would exist in the absence of the nhs. Lets say the American system is downright abysmal and scores a very low 12% rating, well then, the NHS gets credit for 88%, not credit for 100%. Even if it were true that everybody did rely upon it at some point, that would be because they've already paid for it, so it exists in the place of alternatives, why pay for something when you've already paid for it?
