As time goes by

[ecolox]

So the ethics defined by the Nazis were relative to it. Could you honestly oppose such a society? How?

I think what the Nazi's did was horrendous but part of the reason I do so is because I have been bought up in a society that has taught me that such things are wrong, yes I have subsequently validated those views but that is nevertheless true.

If you disagreed with the Nazis, as someone outside Nazi society, then could you, with your belief system, impose your will on the Nazis to stop what you considered "horrendous".

As to whether what the Nazi's did is objectively wrong I would say no because there were (obviously) many Nazis' that agreed with what they were doing, many others who stayed silent and a few (in my opinion heroes) who acted against them.

Yea, and since nothing moral makes any sense anyway, what the Nazis did was right - and your opposition to what the Nazis did is right also. This must be impossible though, because two contradictory things cannot simultaneously be true. Plus, there's no way you could have stopped the Nazis, knowing that they were right.

Quite obviously may in that society DID find what was being done to the Jews in their name morally acceptable although I accept that relatively few knew the true horrors of the camps. I have no idea what was actually going on inside the minds of those who supported what was happening and I'd rather not delve in such dark places any more than I want to really know what goes on inside a theists head.

Yea, don't critically think or do anything significant - if you can help it. That way you can focus on living life to the fullest, for you.

Genocide is regarded as wrong today (hence our reaction to The Holocaust) but it apparently wasn't wrong for your murderous god.

Yea, let's stay in your system of thought for this one. What God did must have been right, because He thought it was right. The Nazis thought what they were doing was right too, and to you - they were, even though you think they are wrong (and you're right for that, because your society told you so).

Are you saying that murder could be fine by you, if a society defined it as such (like the Nazis did) or not?

That isn't what I said, I said murder was a legal concept i.e. the illegal killing of a person ... that isn't to say I don't personally believe other forms of killings are wrong.

This conversation isn't limited to only what you say - so answer the question and quit stalling. If you lived in Nazi society - who said murdering jews was good - would you happily murder jews?

Can a person be legally killed (as in the Biblical example)? What are you getting at exactly?

A person can be legally killed yes, it's known as the death penalty and (legal or not) I don't agree with it.

So, even though your society defines the death penalty as good - you disagree - why is that? If God legally wiped out almost all of mankind - you would disagree with that too - even though He would be right for doing such a thing. Now why would you think like that? Aren't we all just a bunch of chemical reactions anyway - not much different than plants or insects, you might say - so what's the harm in swatting an annoying gnat?

As in the bible? Given that I dispute your biblical claim that a god exists I am hardly going to accept that god's dictates as legal now am I?

Yes. Oh, well let's pretend instead that Hitler killed a bunch of Jews because he believed that was the right thing to do - and it was legal in his society. You would support him right?

Be plain, if you will.

What do you think you are? A fucking Quaker?

Well, I'm not far off - I am using this computer here for communication purposes, but I generally avoid getting too caught up with high-tech stuff - specifically, I try to avoid relying on it. Do you have a problem with answer questions as they are asked, working to convey your message clearly, and stuff like that? Or should I prefer for you to beat around the bush all the day long and talk in code?

---

[quote='ecolox']what's the best thing?

Reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred; the object of adoring reverence or regard - Source: Dictionary.com

I don't pay homage to any thing or any one neither do I regard any thing or any one as sacred.[/quote]

So, it looks like my usage of the word works, you just missed it. See - "...or to any object [as in objective, purpose] regarded as sacred [as in important]..." - what is your important purpose in life?

So now you're saying god allowed suffering? Imagine a family in the heart of Africa, looking up to the sky and praying for health and the chance that they might live another day and not succumb to starvation and ill health. You try and tell them "some people just have to suffer so others can help". Imagine if you were in their shoes, do you think you'd feel that same way? I reckon not.

Yes, of course - God allows suffering. I hope the family would seek to please God - just as I hope I would do if in their shoes. I send money to help people just like that, I wish I could do far more. Also, I believe God wants me to care for people in need.

I don't believe in jesus so why do I care? lol But for the sake the argument:

What about them?

I don't live for my enemies. I do not go around making enemies either. I recognize that there will always be assholes in this world but I don't go finding trouble.

So you're going to let those hungry Africans starve to death? Me and Jesus disapprove.

It means experiencing what life has to offer. A family, friends, career, exploring new places, games and much more. There is so much to life but you theists narrow-mindedly focus on god god god god. If you could only open your mind up to the vastness that is this world. Look at people as people and not "you are a man of this god; you are a man of that god".

God, indeed, makes it apparent that there is much more to life than family, friends, career, exploring new places, and games...namely God. You narrow minded atheists block God out, if only you could open up your mind to the immensity of the creator of the universe. Look at people as made in the image of God, worthy of love and respect.

Life does need the supernatural to make sense - otherwise explain it, if you will. And yes, I am dissatisfied with what I have around me - it's called evil, selfishness, impatience, and on and on.

Let me clarify, your life may need the supernatural but mine does not. Everyone has their right to have whatever requisites they desire in their own lives. How about you tell me why you think life needs the supernatural. You are the one claiming the need for something that isn't there. Please do share

Ha-ha, you atheists will never take on the burden of explaining anything important. Like I said, I can't imagine how I could exist, if God does not. With no God, there can be no purpose. Why do you think you exist - don't say "for no reason", because that wouldn't be rational. And please, don't be ok with ignorance like some of your buddies, because that would be negligent. I'm sure atheists don't want to be known as deadbeats.