Obama care

[Darth]

I didn't start talking about somalia, dp mentioned it, I said why Somalia was an unfair comparison in a few lines, you separated my post into many segments and wrote false at nearly every opportunity (earning many kudo's), I set the record straight using your own link where possible (for the lulz).

Would starting another thread discussing the differences between libertarianism (where corporations are most definitely not free to do whatever they feel like) and other forms of government be appropriate? Perhaps, but I disagree. I personally think libertarianism has a lot to offer on the topic of healthcare and in this thread (though you will of course disagree), but there are clearly gross misunderstandings about libertarianism (and Somalia incidentally) in this thread which is going to hinder any attempt at a meaningful discussion.

If you want to talk about Somalia, or how libertarianism is different from just having zero government... start a different thread. but if corporations could solve any and, all problems, somalia would be a utopian paradise........and would have the best healthcare system in the world

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You're telling me to start a new thread, and then you still go on about Somalia and corporations being able to do what they want over there? huh? And you then link Somalia back to healthcare... I think I'll stay here thanks =D

Nuclear waste dumping? Largely irrelevant, but you chose a very interesting article to quote >8 ). Your quote says they are european ships, with the waste originating from european hospitals and factories? Sounds like the european governments are dropping the ball then doesn't it, letting the people leave with toxic waste and return with no/forged recipes? Tsk tsk. Sounds like european hospitals are indirectly killing people in somalia. Yes, it would appear from that article that corporations are able to do pretty much whatever they want over there including dumping nuclear waste wherever they please, THAT IS NOT WHAT LIBERTARIANS WANT, THAT IS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT LIBERTARIANS ARE PROPOSING! If you think that libertarians are proposing a form of government that would tolerate, or be powerless to stop, the dumping of nuclear waste, and the murder of civilians, then I just don't know what to say.

Justtristo, you say that you would have preferred that Obama force all existing health insurance companies to not make a profit on basic healthcare (only on the luxury staff?). Then they'll either not bother to provide it, or not bother working nearly as hard on ways to improve the basic package/make it cheaper.

Absolutely DP, your military budget is most definitely due a cut imo, we're in agreement on that, that and the impeachment/s (I will note however that Obama has continued with many of those god-awful Bush policies). 'Carrying a cross' I thought the quote went.