RE: How would you know?
August 2, 2012 at 8:28 am
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2012 at 8:52 am by Drich.)
(August 1, 2012 at 11:11 pm)Cinjin Wrote:(August 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm)Drich Wrote: Option 4: Our lives or rather how we live our lives are a testament to not only who we are as people, but is a direct result of the condition of our hearts. this is what is being judged and subsequently this is what 'decides' where we spend eternity. Or did you think your 'choice' was a consciencous one?
This is NOT what the large majority of Christians believe. This is a copout. It does not answer the question.
This is greasy rhetoric and you should be embarrassed for attempting to package it up and sell it to us.
Christianity: One god, one christ, one way. (unless it's not convenient and you start to look bad, right Drich?)
Well I guess 'most christians' did not consider Hebrews 4:11-13 when creating their doctrines, for this passage tells us Christ/The Word will do this very thing.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV
(August 2, 2012 at 8:20 am)Napoleon Wrote: "the condition in our hearts"we do. God simply allows it for the length of our lives.
Question.
Who made this condition in our hearts?
Answer.
god. (correct me if I'm wrong)
Quote:Knowing this, it makes a mockery of free will.Your will was never truly free to begin with. Everything has a cost.
The illusion of free will is an unatainable philosphy and nothing more.
Quote: If 'what is in our hearts' is being judged, then god has already made his decision before we are even born.Actually The bible tells us this very thing has happened.
Quote:As for choice being 'consciencious'. In the case of the isolated islander, how can he ever know what is truly right from wrong?Why do you believe that haven has anything to do with the merrits of right and wrong? The only reason we know the difference between Right and sin is to identify sin in our lives and repent of it. If we know not of this sin then we do not have this responsiablity.
Quote:You're saying 'what is in your heart'? I call bullshit.Not at all. I have said the heart is the source of your personality and attitude, from out of the heart springs your words thoughts and deeds. This is what is being judged, not your empty actions.
Quote:For him, he may be brought up by a community of people who like to murder each other for fun, or see it as a game. This is a clear violation of the commandment 'thou shalt not kill'.Even if it weren't there is a sin some where he would commit, but that is not the point.
Quote:But why should he be punished for that if he doesn't know it is wrong.(The point beingHeaven and Hell is not about the catholic model of reward and punishment you seem to only understand. For all who enter heaven do not deserve it, (So it can not be a just reward) and all who spend eternity in Hell do not want to serve in Heaven. What would be a true punishment is for all who hate God or will not even acknoweledge His existance to be forced into slavery to serve all the believers for all eternity. Living in literal paradise as a slave.
No the essence of who we are is what is being discussed here. not what we have done, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The island man is no different. He will be judged by the same judge that Heb 4 11-13 says will judge all of the rest of us and to that judge all will be sliced thin laid out and examined, to the point nothing will be hidden. If the man was truly faithful to whatever he has been given (whatever that would be) then he is allowed in. if not then he will join all the rest who knew of God and yet did not submit to Him.