How would you know?

[Napoléon]

Your will was never truly free to begin with. Everything has a cost.
The illusion of free will is an unatainable philosphy and nothing more.

So god does indeed punish those who he has knowingly created to be punished.

There's a certain theme of assholeishness going on here isn't there.

Actually The bible tells us this very thing has happened.

So that's ok with you?

Why do you believe that haven has anything to do with the merrits of right and wrong?

I don't, I don't believe in heaven, I don't even believe there is such a thing as objective right and wrong. I'm merely trying to understand the christian rationale for this.

The only reason we know the difference between Right and sin is to identify sin in our lives and repent of it. If we know not of this sin then we do not have this responsiablity.

So, you're saying, sin only matters if you know it is a sin. I can go around raping people, but if I don't know any better, I don't get punished for it.

Okay gotcha.

Not at all. I have said the heart is the source of your personality and attitude, from out of the heart springs your words thoughts and deeds. This is what is being judged, not your empty actions.

So again we come back to this whole thing about god judging you for what HE has made you.

Seems a completely pointless exercise to me. Not to mention extremely rude of him.

(The point beingHeaven and Hell is not about the catholic model of reward and punishment you seem to only understand. For all who enter heaven do not deserve it, (So it can not be a just reward) and all who spend eternity in Hell do not want to serve in Heaven. What would be a true punishment is for all who hate God or will not even acknoweledge His existance to be forced into slavery to serve all the believers for all eternity. Living in literal paradise as a slave.

Well this is then nice isn't it.

No the essence of who we are is what is being discussed here. not what we have done, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The island man is no different. He will be judged by the same judge that Heb 4 11-13 says will judge all of the rest of us and to that judge all will be sliced thin laid out and examined, to the point nothing will be hidden. If the man was truly faithful to whatever he has been given (whatever that would be) then he is allowed in. if not then he will join all the rest who knew of God and yet did not submit to Him.

Okay, I'll take your viewpoint for a moment.

It still doesn't negate the fact that god has already decided what he is going to do with you before you were even brought into existing.

In such a scenario, this whole universe is basically a game. In fact it isn't a game, it's just a series of events playing out exactly as god wishes it.

Such an existence is pointless, and arbitrary.

We are basically slaves.


I have a problem with that. I would like to think any other rational person would as well.