Prayer?

[Drich]

You are still confused as to the reason Jesus is said to have given the directive to avoid vain repetition. It was not because they were repeating the words, it was because they were repeating them without truly believing them and still has nothing at all to do with chanting. Chanting is something entirely different, unless you count the monks in the Catholic tradition who chant the prayers and psalms. However, even in this case, the chanting is still not vain repetition. To call it so is incredibly rude seeing as those who consider themselves Catholic, especially the monks and nuns, hold these chants to be sacred and filled with meaning. They feel that chanting them brings them into a closer communion with the god they worship.

There are many many more beside monks and nuns who chant prayers who chant empty meaningless prayers, blessings, hail marys, our fathers, and the like. If the message does not apply then to not streach it simply to argue a point.

I do apologize if I got the correct translation of the word wrong. I am not one to stand here and say I was write if I wasn't. So in the proper translation department I must concede to you unless I can be bothered to go research it and find that you are wrong, and frankly I don't care enough to do that right at this moment.

Just follow the links I provided when/if you do.

However I still hold that my original statement was true. You are maligning the word chant by grafting it onto the meaning of vain repetition. For those who use chants as a real and sacred way to tune their mind to whatever they feel to be divine they are certainly not guilty of vain repetition as you seem to adamant to say they are.

again your forcing an arguement that does not exist. For not all who chant do so for the purposes you have outlined.

Oh, and thank you for the welcome.

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What if the same mechinism that allows for freewill also caused all manner of suffering? (like cancer) Would you be willing to give up your free will to cure billy's cancer?

So this loving, all powerful deity can't figure out a way to allow free will without cancer being included as part of the package?

If that's the case, this deity is a moron.

Sin and consenquence. How would you seperate the two? For us to be in a position to live in sin God has removed Himself and requished control of this world, and has turn that control over to us. So now it is up to us to prevent things like cancer, hunger, earthquakes, and the like. If you do not want this responsiablity or think you and your fellow man have done a crap job. learn to pray for His Kingdom to come. for His will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. That is what this portion of the prayer also covers. For if God takes control again all needs will be met.

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If I missed your post just let me know and i will address it.