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Prayer?
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RE: Prayer?
(August 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: God does not work His will in that way, the cancer of one child would not have an effect on God's greater plan

Thor Wrote:Then why do children (or anyone, really) get cancer in the first place?

Could be a lot of different reasons, since I'm not a doctor I wouldn't know.

Quote:however God does have plans for individuals

Thor Wrote:So a child getting cancer is part of his plan. Your deity is a retard.

Not necessarily, God may use the situation to help a family in some way, or to help some individual unrelated to the family, to see how precious life is, or any number of things that life throws at us.

Quote:God may not heal the child in your example, if He does not it's for a reason that only God understands at the time.

Thor Wrote:How convenient! So your deity gets a pass because you think we're too stupid to understand his reasons for allowing a child to suffer with cancer and die? Why doesn't he try explaining it to the parents?

I believe I qualified a specific time, and god needs no pass, He is in control of everything. After the result of the illness has passed many will look back on the experience and see God's reason, at least those who will see or cares to see God's revelation to them.

Quote: Then He may heal the child and again if He does it would be for a reason only He would know at the time.

Thor Wrote:So your deity may or may not heal a child with cancer. Sounds like you may as well pray to a garden gnome.

If God doesn't heal, you have contempt for Him, and when God heals, you still have contempt for Him. You are a ungrateful person to the 3rd magnitude. When people ask God to heal a person and that's all they ask, that in itself shows how shallow their belief is, if they have any at all. How many prayers do you think have been raised up to God in hospitals with this little note attached a the end, "if you do this I promise I will always be loyal to you." Do people really believe they can fool God, especially since they just asked God to heal a loved one, I think not, they use God as an insurance policy. When people do this why should God answer their prayer and if He does do they deserve an explanation, I think not, why, because they will show their gratitude by ignoring God until the next crisis.

Quote: God is not required to give explanations of His actions,

Thor Wrote:Don't you mean, "God is not able to give explanations of his actions"?

Now you're trying to tell me about a being you do not even know exist, how funny, can we look forward to seeing you at a comedy club. Why should God explain something to those who will not listen, but for those who will listen great things can happen, take Nineveh for example.

Quote: though He has revealed them to many people in situations where he does or does not answer prayer as it is asked.

Thor Wrote:What a load! Where has this occurred? Who are these "many people"? How were his reasons "revealed"? Because I'm quite sure he didn't appear and talk to anyone.

Being a deacon in the Baptist church I've seen this happen many times, being a former youth leader in a Baptist church I've seen this many times, you need to spend sincere time with God before you can experience Him at this level, something I'm 100% positive you have not been capable of. Appear to them I do not think so, talk to them in His way definitely, like I said I've seen it.

Quote: Then there's something else to consider He may answer in a way that is far better, in a way no one has even considered.

Thor Wrote:Or..... he won't answer at all. I think this is much more likely.

God says He will not answer all prayer, God also says He will not listen to some prayers. I know for a fact He answers prayer, I've experienced it to many times for it to be remotely considered a coincidence, one example, prayers having specific properties within them.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by Jackalope - August 3, 2012 at 12:32 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 3, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Prayer? - by FallentoReason - August 3, 2012 at 1:05 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2012 at 2:01 am
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 3, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cinjin - August 5, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 3, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Prayer? - by FallentoReason - August 3, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 4, 2012 at 11:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 4, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Godschild - August 5, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Prayer? - by Shell B - August 3, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Prayer? - by Zen Badger - August 3, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Prayer? - by KichigaiNeko - August 3, 2012 at 7:21 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 3, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Godschild - August 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 3, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Godschild - August 4, 2012 at 1:57 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 4, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 1:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Annik - August 3, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
RE: Prayer? - by pgrimes15 - August 5, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Prayer? - by downbeatplumb - August 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Prayer? - by pgrimes15 - August 5, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by C.W. Sims - August 3, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2012 at 1:59 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cato - August 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 4, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 4, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 4, 2012 at 11:38 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 4, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by KichigaiNeko - August 5, 2012 at 7:45 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 5, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Erinome - August 5, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Deicide73 - August 5, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 5, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 5, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 6, 2012 at 2:14 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 6, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 7, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 5, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 5, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 12:18 am
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 6, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 6, 2012 at 1:18 am
RE: Prayer? - by KichigaiNeko - August 6, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 6, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Erinome - August 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cinjin - August 6, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 6, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cinjin - August 6, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:43 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 7, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 8, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Prayer? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 7, 2012 at 12:30 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 8, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cato - August 8, 2012 at 2:09 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 8, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 9, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2012 at 1:52 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 8, 2012 at 3:54 am
RE: Prayer? - by Anomalocaris - August 8, 2012 at 2:19 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 8, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 12, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 10, 2012 at 12:54 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cato - August 10, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 10, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 10, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 10, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 10, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 10, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 10, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 11, 2012 at 12:24 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 11, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 11, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 11, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 11, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by ElDinero - August 11, 2012 at 4:56 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 11, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 11, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 12, 2012 at 12:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Tobie - August 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 13, 2012 at 9:31 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 13, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 14, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 15, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 16, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Prayer? - by Thor - August 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by ElDinero - August 12, 2012 at 6:03 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 12, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 13, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 14, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Skepsis - August 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Zen Badger - August 12, 2012 at 7:16 am
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 12, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Tobie - August 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Gambit - August 12, 2012 at 12:13 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2012 at 9:26 am
RE: Prayer? - by WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth - August 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Undeceived - August 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Faith No More - August 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 12:10 am
RE: Prayer? - by Tobie - August 14, 2012 at 3:26 am
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 14, 2012 at 8:25 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 8:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: Prayer? - by padraic - August 16, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Jackalope - August 16, 2012 at 11:50 am
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 16, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Reforged - August 20, 2012 at 7:31 am
RE: Prayer? - by FallentoReason - August 21, 2012 at 2:31 am
RE: Prayer? - by Lion IRC - August 23, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 21, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 20, 2012 at 6:40 am
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 20, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 20, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Drich - August 21, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Minimalist - August 20, 2012 at 11:21 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: Prayer? - by Epimethean - August 21, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Prayer? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Prayer? - by Cyberman - August 23, 2012 at 10:01 am

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