(August 3, 2012 at 12:16 am)Drich Wrote: Making Prayer little more than a formal wishing cermony. God is not a magical genie who's job it is to grant you wishes. Nor is He obligated to hear or respond to wishes.
(August 3, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Drich Wrote:(August 3, 2012 at 2:01 am)Minimalist Wrote: So..."jesus" was a liar, according to you?
Matthew 21:
Maybe it only works on fig trees and mountains? That would seem to make it fairly fucking worthless...unless you grow figs on a mountain.
two seperat things here.. Unless you believe christ prayed that the fig tree would never bear fruit again before He cursed it, and also we have the model of what a prayer is, and drying up fig trees moving mountains has nothing to do with prayer. the bit about the mountains and fig trees was about simple faith and the authority given them. It had nothing to do with what they asked in prayer.
What a bull shit response. Jesus didn't put a disclaimer on his statement and since your 'word of god' is flawless, we can assume that there is no mistaking what he meant since it MUST be word for word from his very mouth. Lets try this again ...
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
I knows MANY devout christians who begged god on their knees with tears in their eyes to save their loved ones. They were (and somehow still are) TRUE believers. None the less, they did not receive what they asked for.
So either you're a liar or your god is a liar. Which is it?
Get ready for a serious steaming pile of apologist's bull shit.