Prayer?

[Drich]

so if you were a gun manufacture you are responsiable for all murder and crimes committed with a gun of your design? Or are those crimes a product of free will and your gun becomes a tool for someone to excersize their own will over another.

Actually, I think I can blame God for all murders and crimes committed with guns. Being all-knowing and all-powerful means you're stuck with the blame for everything bad, because you could have made all bad things impossible and consciously chose not to.

But, so as to not actually avoid the question, the analogy is terrible. A gun manufacturer is not all-powerful. God is. Therefore, nothing which happens is an accident, a point many Christians happily accept with such sayings as 'God works in mysterious ways' or 'everything happens for a reason' or 'it's all part of God's plan'.

It is nothing short of criminal that God made cancer in the first place, but that he intentionally kills people with it, for any reason at all, is enough proof for me that if your idea of God was real, he would be evil and not worth a minute of prayer or love from even the worst human being to ever exist.

If you have a problem with guns then replace with a hammer or a car or medicine, or anything else used is such away to excersize one person's will over another. The Gun is a tool, but because of we live in a Realm apart from the will of God, we have now become responsiable for managing everything in that realm.

So, what sort of problem is fixed by a tool like cancer?

Cancer still exists because man has fallen short of his responsiablity to rule this world. Cancer and bad things like it are the result of living outside of God's protection or plan. Cancer and all other bad things can go away, but you are going to have to trade your ablity to sin for it. rather you will have to trade 'free will' inorder to live under God's rule. so you decide. If you want to rid the world of Cancer then learn to pray "God's will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." if you want to live for your self and go on blaming God because you do not want to yield to Him, then you are free to do that as well. You have that 'choice.'

No. A god who would use cancer to get people to act the way he wants can go fuck himself. The free will argument doesn't cut it, either. Free will cannot exist if there is a God handing out gruesome and psychotic punishment if that will is exercised in any way he doesn't like. That's the sort of free will you'd get in the Stalinist Soviet Union or North Korea.

Do you seriously need me to break everything i have said down for you specifically or can you be bother to actually read some of the other post made.. Like for instance from the person you decided to speak for. Did you not think this person was 'smart enough' to cover the same points you did? If your going to try and hijack someone elses conversation at least bring up a point or two not already covered by the orginal dialog.