(August 6, 2012 at 12:34 am)Drich Wrote: Adam and Eve could potentially be trillions of Years old. (as stated in my 'evolution' thread) fore their isn't a time line mentioned between the end of creation and the fall.Their only company being each other and God. How much trickery and manipulation do you think they had to go through? They oughtn't be expected to know when they are being fooled.
And, why is the punishment so heavy for eating an apple?
(August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote: They were given life so they may choose. why would God change anything if they did what was expected of them?They were given life with the foreknowledge of how they would act. Was creating a world where Satan didn't interfere too difficult for God?
(August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote: I am not sure who you are talking about or how it is you know their mental capablity, but Expressed will either means the verbal or written will or law of God. For Adam and Eve it was as simple as the direct word of God "Do not eat from the tree of knoweledge." for Moses it was the 10 commandments, and so on.A&E were blamed for acting on their free will... after Satan, the ultimate inveigler, convinced the female to eat. Why they were blamed for this is beyond me, because Satan shouldn't have been in the garden and they never had any interaction with those that might try to fool them. What kind of God makes the perfect paradise and then allows the ultimate in evil to waltz in and make a mess of it?
(August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote: what are you talking about? Before God issued the commandments He either talked to people directly or through a Phophet.Evidence? Before Christianity was founded he was saying this? Either his creation is so stupid that we can't grasp it after so many attempts, or God is awful at conveying his message.
(August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote: Every single human being on the planet makes the same desision Adam and Eve made when they ate of the tree of knoweledge, every time they sin. everyone is guilty. this isn't about orginal sin, it is about your sin. timmy's sin. my sin.Sin is simply unjust. Those that have never heard of God can't be expected to avoid sin completely. Sin is unavoidable- God made the system so that we would fail. When sin entails natural tendencies and necessities you know something is up.
(August 5, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote: That is just it God turned the Helm over to us. This is "His Will" that we be allowed to live apart from the known glory of God. In doing so we also live apart from God. This means we live apart from the protection of God and are the primary care takers of this world, not God. If you don't like how it is being run then do not blame God, blame those He left in charge of it.
If I don't like how...
What?
So, prayer has no effect, by your own words? If we run the world and God has no blame, then God has no part in the world. If God has no distinguishable part in the world, he is useless.
If your God is blameless then he has no part in the care taking of the world.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
