Prayer?

[Drich]

Their only company being each other and God. How much trickery and manipulation do you think they had to go through?

The 'Garden' has been guessitmated to be 2/3s the size of North America. If Adam and Eve live there for trillions of Years probably very little. It is most likly even after trillions of years a space as large as may have been, they simply did everything their was to do been everywhere 1000 times and just got bored. Which would explain their proximity to the tree planted in the center of the garden when they were tempted.. Because it is the only thing there that was still a mystery to them.

They oughtn't be expected to know when they are being fooled.
And, why is the punishment so heavy for eating an apple?

They were being 'fooled' they were lied to so as to allow them to full fill their want and desire. God told them the truth, and they wanted to believe a lie.

Don't look at it as punishment. it was a consenquence of their actions. Either one is in god's will or he is not. until Christ there wasn no in between.

They were given life with the foreknowledge of how they would act. Was creating a world where Satan didn't interfere too difficult for God?

The point was Choice. satan was apart of that Choice. where it was something Satan wanted to be apart of or not god used what happened in the Garden to give everyone the oppertunity to choose whether or not they want to be with God for eternity.

A&E were blamed for acting on their free will... after Satan, the ultimate inveigler, convinced the female to eat. Why they were blamed for this is beyond me, because Satan shouldn't have been in the garden and they never had any interaction with those that might try to fool them. What kind of God makes the perfect paradise and then allows the ultimate in evil to waltz in and make a mess of it?

not evil, choice. Choice was always apart of God's equasion from the beginning. Otherwise why would he plant the tree of Knoweledge in the garden in the first place? satan verbalized the discontentment they both felt and then provided an avenue for them to act on what they were not supposed to have.

what are you talking about? Before God issued the commandments He either talked to people directly or through a Phophet.

Evidence?

The Old testament.

Before Christianity was founded he was saying this?

Yes

Either his creation is so stupid that we can't grasp it after so many attempts, or God is awful at conveying his message.

Or we could just not want to hear what God has to say.

Sin is simply unjust.

..And we are 'unjust' to sin.

Those that have never heard of God can't be expected to avoid sin completely.

Do you want to know why the tree of knowedge of Good and Evil got it's name? Because this 'tree's fruit' allowed one to understand the difference between Good and evil. Not that adam and Eve did not sin before they ate of the fruit, they were just not held to account for them before they ate of that fruit. That is also why I think god had to make consenquence simple for them to understand. "you eat you die." Because before that point they did not understand Sin and consenquence.

Sin is unavoidable- God made the system so that we would fail. When sin entails natural tendencies and necessities you know something is up.

Do forget He also provides attonement for sin so we are not longer bound to it.

That is just it God turned the Helm over to us. This is "His Will" that we be allowed to live apart from the known glory of God. In doing so we also live apart from God. This means we live apart from the protection of God and are the primary care takers of this world, not God. If you don't like how it is being run then do not blame God, blame those He left in charge of it.

If I don't like how...
What?
So, prayer has no effect, by your own words? If we run the world and God has no blame, then God has no part in the world. If God has no distinguishable part in the world, he is useless.
If your God is blameless then he has no part in the care taking of the world.

this world, this life is not our final desitnation. it is simply a proving grounds. we have been given this life to make a choice as to how we wish to spend eternity. God has removed Himself from this equasion unless you seek Him out, so you can make a choice based on what your heart truly wants. If you want god's help in your personal life then seek him out as outlined in the bible if not then you are free to do as you will. This could not happen if the Presents of God hovered over every desision we made and corrected the really bad ones.

As it is we make a choice and deal with the consenquences no matter what that means.