(August 5, 2012 at 2:24 am)Godschild Wrote: God does not interfere with way things go in the world necessarily.
Right. He doesn't interfere with the way things go in the world for the same reason that Sherlock Holmes doesn't assist in murder investigations.
Quote:God is interested in our eternal life, that's not to say this life is not important to Him, but like God says what good is it for a man to gain the whole world and then lose his soul. God wants all of us with Him forever, that however our choice.
Unsubstantiated hooey.
Quote:What do you mean what, no one said God inflicted cancer on anyone, that's your way of seeing God, you want Him to look as bad as possible.
Your deity pretty much looks bad all by himself. Just look at the world. If this is the best he can do, he's a retard.
Quote: When He does heal those with terrible diseases you couldn't care less.
Please provide any verified example where this deity has healed someone.
Quote:Again you are interjecting God as the one who inflict disease, prove your statement. This interjection renders the rest of your statement useless.
Can't your deity prevent or cure this disease with no effort whatsoever? If so, what difference does it make if he inflicted it? He can end it. But he chooses not to. At a minimum that's being a prick. At most, it's being an evil monster.
Quote:Like I said before only those who are going to listen to God will hear Him,
He speaks? You can hear his words? What does his voice sound like? Is it low like Barry White? Does he have an accent?
Quote:Why would you not ask Him, I mean there He is standing in front of you. just ask.
No one is standing in front of me.
Thor Wrote:Except that there have been many people who have devoted their lives to this deity and, in a moment of crisis, have turned to him for help. Only to get none.
Quote:You need to prove this statement.
I personally know people who are devout Christians and had a child fall ill. They prayed to your deity and asked for help, but the child died. And I'm sure this scenario has been repeated ad nauseum throughout history.
Quote:Why does He need to appear, I do not need to see Him to know He's working in my life.
How about so I know he exists? Or is that too much to ask? And I have never seen this deity "work in my life". Even when I was a believer.
Thor Wrote:I'm sure you THINK you've seen this many times. Of course, there's nothing to substantiate any of it.
Quote:Yes there is, my personal experiences with Him,
WHAT "personal experiences"? Did he drop in for coffee? Did he knock on your door? Maybe he appeared on your tv? Because I'm betting these "personal experiences" are nothing but things you have "felt" and no one else can substantiate.
Quote: I've seen God work in peoples lives many times, I have no doubt.
Really? Or have you just seen people pick themselves up and move forward through tough times and then credit your deity?
Thor Wrote:Actually, in the Babble Jesus says that you will have whatever you want as long as you believe and pray in his name.
Quote:I know what verse you basing this statement on, however you're wrong, the meaning of that verse in't close to what you say.
Do I need to quote it? Because it's pretty clear in it's meaning. Believe in me. Pray in my name. You'll get whatever you pray for.
Of course, we all know that doesn't work. So you folks need to explain it away. "Oh, that's not what it means!" But you're awful quick to accept the literal meaning of most other parts of the Babble.
Quote:Yes I do, I've seen to many prayers answered with specifics, all of them could not have been coincidental. No way to many answered.
And how many prayers have NOT been answered? I'm betting you have a severe case of confirmation bias. You remember when the prayers seemingly were answered, but you forget the far more numerous times nothing happened.
Quote:No, I haven't prayed for those things, they have not been a part of my life.
Okay. Fair enough. I have a friend who lost part of his leg to cancer. Why don't you pray for his leg to grow back? I'm sure he'd appreciate having his leg whole again. If you do, I'll let you know if my buddy's leg regenerates.
Quote: I've been on this forum long enough to know not to share those personal specifics, you guys are merciless.
Is it because you know "the specifics" can be shot down very easily? Is it because you have nothing to verify where these prayers supposedly worked?
Quote: You care nothing for the feelings of believers.
When believers come on this forum spewing unsubstantiated crap, I have no considerations for their "feelings" when I shoot them down. I imagine most others here feel the same way.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?