Prayer?

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So, none what?

No experience with deceit.

...that is what evolutionist still believe, and say they can provide 'evidence' for the trillions of years between creation and the fall of man. (about 6000 years ago) So appearently yes really. (Even though between you and me it sounds alittle far fetched)

Dude... where in the name of Cthulhu are you talking about? If an "evolutionist" is a person who believes evolution to be scientific theory, then I guess I am one. If an evolutionist is a person that believes the universe to be trillions of years old while simultaneously being 6,000 years old, that the universe was created, and that Adam and Eve existed, then I am surely not one and I might be so bold as to say that nobody is one. Seriously? Is this the extent of your knowledge on biological and cosmic evolution? Normally I would think you were a troll or a Poe, but seeing your other posts you are indeed legitimate.
Poor human race.

As 'trillions of years' is a drop in the bucket next to forever, then it is not beyond the prameters of the creation account for Adam and eve to have lived that long.

It might not be beyond your fairytale reasoning, but it is beyond scientific fact. For example, we know the universe to be 14.6 billion years old and not trillions.

Again, that was the point. Adam and Eve did everything according to plan. Even the fall was apart of the plan. without it none of us would have been here.

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His best plan was to force continual suffering on the descendents of the first man and woman?
This also rules out free will. If he planned them to do these things and made them knowing they would act in that way, then he "programmed" them. That's all there is to it.

Genesis 3:2 seem to disagree with your account of things. Satan asks what did god tell her and She repeats the warning. Eve knew what she was doing. again which was apart of the plan.

Genesis 3:2 doesn't indicate that Eve heard God directly, just that she understood god to have said not to eat of the tree. I feel silly arguing about fairy tales, so I'll just stop.

Otherwise the tree nor Satan would have ever been allowed in the Garden. This whole thing was about choice from the beginning.

No choice if there was a predestination for A&E and Satan.

If you have sex with someone with aids and you contract HIV is it a consenquence or punishment? God told them what would happen, and it did. That is a consenquence as the direct result of an specific action.
The 'punishment' was to be found in the hard labor Men were to do and the pains of labor women experienced in child birth. The handing the world over and making man responsiable for everything was a consenquence.
Even if you insist that it was still a punishment, Punishments are always a consenquence of undesired action. Still makes it a consenquence.

The AIDs didn't threaten the guy's dick with HIV before he stuck it in.

Only when we want to be.

Sorry, your just wrong. Even the ever vigilant Superman of anti-gullibility can be fooled.

This is what satan played on. They wanted to be fooled and were looking for any reason to be fooled into doing something they knew was wrong, but wanted to do anyway..

WTF. Wanted to be fooled? Your full of shit.

There is no blame as it was apart of the plan, and yet God took responsiablity for the sins commited anyway.

If his plan screws up he isn't some kind of saint for taking responsibility. You have got to be kidding.

They knew of death. God warned them they would die if they ate of that fruit.. what else is their to say? they wanted to eat of that fruit probably because they did everything else 1000 times over and want to see what elses there was to experience. Even in the face of the warning God gave them.

It was "God's plan" though. The prick set it up for their failure by your own admission, so it is no fault of theirs.

Do i have to seriously explain this "moving the goal post" fallacy to each and every one of you?

If you are speaking about God and the bible is the only book that defines God or if you ask a question that is based on what the bible tells you, then the bible (like it or not) becomes a legitmate source. or "real evidence."
You can not base a question from the bible and then refuse the bible as a legitmate source to answer a question derived from with in it's pages.

Actually, yes you can. Here, I'll show you.
Lets take Spiderman for example. I hate Spiderman and think it is a crap comic, so it is a good target for an analogy.
The question derived from a Spiderman comic? How about, "Did Spiderman swing from webs?"
The answer is no, he didn't. There is no evidence to support this. But according to you, we should believe that he did in fact swing from webs because the comic says so.

God's leading attribute is righteousness and not Love. Otherwise how could He sacerfice His son?

To establish sacerdotalism. ba dum tss.

Righteousness Demands that the wage of sin be paid out. Or that attonement be offered in the sinners stead.

But God planned it that way. It's his fault.

Prayer does, wish making, not so much.

So God has a part in this fucked up world we live in?

appearently not. although one could argue that the only difference being, is that the supposed 'sheep' seem to read/listen and doesn't need to asked questions that have been answered this many times...

TL;DR. I want to keep my sanity.

Either take back the part about God being blameless, or take back the part about prayer being futile.

Why?
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Logic dictates you to do so?
If God has a part in the world through prayer or anything, then he isn't blameless. Hell, he planned it this way. He created this world knowing full well of disease and cancer and war, so he isn't blameless either way.

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