Prayer?

[Skepsis]

So, because you do not understand a concept that has not been drilled into you, I am the 'slow' one? I reposted my explaination of evolution/creation, and if you wish to have that conversation let's do it there.

Is there an emoticon for stunned disbelief?

It looks like maybe you catching on.

You must not have understood me. I was saying that Adam and Eve never had a choice to begin with. Is that actually your position?

Oh, oh there you go again! I think you got it.

Well, I guess so.

You've moved the goal posts again. We weren't talking about people never being fooled. We were talking about people being easy to fool when they are looking for a reason to do something foolish.

Actually I haven't... I was responding to your statement that people are only fooled when they allow themselves to be. The tacit assertion there is that people can willfully avoid deceit, thus never being fooled. I guess it's my turn to tell you to go back and read.

How does it screw up? Oh, you must still think we are working on the old catholic model that says we must be perfect all of the time and spend 2/3s of our time confessing for the 1/3 of our life we dare to live.

Are you even looking at what I am responding to? These statements aren't stand-alone quips, you know. I'll pretend you didn't respond like this to give you another chance.
Just go back to your oxymoronic statement about how there was no blame (God's plan) but God "took responsibility" (for sin, or mistakes) despite it being part of the plan.

Look If God wanted us to live perfect lives in His will all of the time whether we wanted to or not there would not have been an oppertunity for sin planted in the middle of the Garden, nor would satan be allowed in to temp anyone. But he was and the tree was planed in the Garden before A&E were created.

Did God ask any of us whether or not we wanted to live forever? Did he ask any of us whether or not we want to be in his "will"?
No.
You comments only pertain to A&E.

The fall and handing this world over to man was all apart of the process of choosing we have. In order for their to be true choice we must have real options and unregulated consenquences. In order to have this we must live in a world/realm where the presents of God of the knoweledge of God's Glory is not imediatly known.

You can't have choice and "God's plan" in the same belief system. Simple as that.

Otherwise 'choice' would be effected by the knoweledge of God's presents. for instance if we did something really stupid and God saved us from our stupid choices all of the time, then we would modify our lives to live with in His safty net. Like wise if the presents of God were known Or even if their were absolute undisputable verfiable proof of God (like you guys seem to want so badly) then no one would have a choice except to choose Christ.

The only meaningful bit of info I got from that was that God is holding out on presents that I should be receiving because giving me these presents would somehow screw up my free will.
In all seriousness, that argument is old and moldy. In the OT his spoke to his heart's content. Were they all convinced? Was that a free will violation?

Contary to popular belief God does not want everyone to goto Heaven. He only wants those who want to be with Him with all of their hearts, Minds, Spirits, and Strength.

So only the sheeple get to go? :'(
Capitol spirit, strength and minds, but no hearts? Oh well, it only pumps blood anyway.

we know this because this is what He told us in the bible, and subsequently this is what it takes to find Him in this life now.

The Bible can't be used as evidence for a God. No matter how verifiable the writings are they can't prove a supernatural being. Spectacular claims warrant spectacular evidence, and a pack of novels just doesn't cut it.

If it weren't this way, then every self perserving God hating person would seek redemption. Even if they did not really Love God.

If God made himself evident, why wouldn't people hate him? He has the power to solve global hunger, to cure cancer, to aid in world peace treaties, to end all illness, poverty, and ill will, and to stop meaningless religious wars all over the world with absolutely no effort at all, but falls back on "Well, remember when I sent vague documents and babbling idiots to tell you of my presence? Yeah, those were legit."
That's a load of shit and you know it.

Moving the Goal post as a Logical fallacy:
Moving the goalposts, also known as raising the bar, is an informal logically fallacious argument in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. In other words, after a goal has been scored, the goalposts are moved farther to discount the attempt. This attempts to leave the impression that an argument had a fair hearing while actually reaching a preordained conclusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

Quoting a wiki doesn't make my argument go away. I know it is scary, but you are going to have to use your big boy words... you demeaning twat.
lol irony
Still, my analogy holds because it shows the only way you might attempt to verify what is said in a comic book is by comparing it to the real world and trying to see if it is valid. The Bible isn't a stand alone source of information and requires verification. You can't just say "The bible tells me so" and expect to get away with it on an atheist site, where 99% of people will see it for what it is and call you on it. Either show me where the bible was validated on the issue of "god communicates through people now and in the far, far past". Otherwise, your claim is unevidenced and meaningless.

Seriously? reread my second post It explains the difference in prayer and in wish making and God's role in all of it.

I've read it already. Why does it contradict anything you quoted? Does God answer prayers? If yes, then it affects the world. If the world is affected by God, then he to blame for the state of the world, at least in part. It isn't his interaction that makes him guilty, but by the fact that he can interact and doesn't.

So?

Well, that makes him a rather big twat, don't you think?