RE: Prayer?
August 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2012 at 12:18 pm by Reforged.)
(August 13, 2012 at 1:42 am)Undeceived Wrote:(August 13, 2012 at 1:27 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: How about I just name one that covers all of them?Then why innovate? Doesn’t all innovation have survival at its core? If medicine is no longer an innovation, but a necessity, wouldn’t we live forever under God’s placating hand? We'd never die. Well that's what the Garden of Eden used to be like. We messed up by sinning, and now death is our punishment. Or should people still die in this utopia of yours? Say, after a couple hundred years. What if someone wants to die earlier or later? At what point should God take these people? No matter how He does it, He will cause grief—either in the individual or in his/her family.
Health.
But let's get back to the topic. I claimed people would not innovate if all necessities were provided. If not health, what do people innovate for? Discovery? Pleasure? Both are self-serving. Unless that's your point--you want a world of all pleasure but no earning or gratitude for that pleasure. A world in which God serves you but you do not serve Him. Am I correct?
So what you are saying is that because God would help us out alittle when we were desperate that would then completely take away the point of discovery? We wouldn't look further into human biology because we wouldn't need to cure people. Well thats bollocks isn't it? Humanity often craves knowledge for its own sake.
Please do not use examples you cannot prove. You cannot prove the Garden of Eden ever existed. You cannot prove anything of what The Bible claims of our origins so cut that shit out right now. You get a free pass on God for this instance, we need to assume his existence which you also have no proof for to have this discussion. Don't push it and stay on subject.
If God were active in the world we'd have no cause to fear death, grief would be greatly lessened.
Earning? How would you not be able to earn or give gratitude in a world where a God is evidently active, loving and protective of his creation? You don't think people would be grateful for that? That they wouldn't make strides forward to improve the universe they live in? Are you telling me he has to abandon the world in order for you to do that?
At the end of the day everything we do as a race can be broken down into three things. Survival, discovery and pleasure. You're saying its a bad thing we need only worry about the second and the third? Are you denying it would make people more morale, more knowledgable and the world a generally happier place to live in? That wouldn't be rewarding for God to see?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.