Prayer?

[Drich]

We aren't free to choose if it is all in a plan from the beginning of time.

The plan was to provide Choice. Or to provide an oppertunity to choose. the plan wasn't to force everyone to Choose Heaven.

Is this command theory attached to justice instead of morality? Justice is a concept that relies on a judge (a person, etc) to determine fair retribution. What can never be fair is a finite crime punished with an infinite sentence. Whether or not you want to define "justice" into oblivion is none of my concern.

You making my case for me. In that you see 'justic' as what you or someone who has authority over you thinks to be fair. This judgement is always based on incomplete information. God's Judgement is complete and complies with a absolute righteous standard. In other words God's judgement may not be fair to everyone.

I'll say it again: A just God couldn't punish someone for a finite crime with infinite punishment. Nothing you can do in 5 years, 10 years, a million years can earn you infinite punishment. You know how big 1 trillion is to infinity? It isn't even a fraction, not even a slice of the pie. You are no closer to finishing your sentence than a trillion years before that.
This is the definition of injustice.

What if one chooses to be eternally seperated from God? Is God to drag them kicking and screaming into Heaven?

If I don't believe in God and am later sent to hell for it, I am being punished. I don't see an alternative.

Belief in god is not the deciding factor of Heaven or Hell. For we are told even the Demons believe." And yet they are not welcome into Heaven. Love (as God outlines it) is what makes us acceptiable for God to accept our belief.

On choice, I thought you said it was all in his plan? If it is his plan that I choose something and not another thing, then I never had a choice to begin with.

Choice only requires one alternitive to the situation you are facing. you have a choice you do not have an abundance of choice.

According to you, no I didn't. I am simply following his master plan.

Again "the Master plan" was to give you the oppertunity to Choose, not that you make a specific choice.

Special pleading. I can't choose anything else besides whether or not I need to be redeemed for sins that I was forced to commit by a plan that the very one requiring redemption set out for me? How do you not read the things you are typing and see them for what they are? Is this the true power of indoctrination?

define 'the plan' as you understand it. If you understand the plan then you can not claim this fallacy.

You have failed to justify why you can choose redemption but not anything else.

Because No other Choices are given!
Live in sin or be redeemed from it. It is an either or. There are no other options.

I'll share with you an anecdote, if that is ok. It has to do with prayer, so don't rage too hard.
When I was 5 years younger at the age of 13, I believed in God. I read the Bible, albeit minimally. I didn't attend church, but justified it with the "God is in my heart, so I won't bother getting dressed up for a social event" line. I began to doubt towards my 14th birthday.

So you are making a desision that will echo through out eternity for the half hearted effort you put into makeing a desision when you were 13. (Not raging here I just want you to take an honest look.) did you have a girlfriend when you were 13? Do you have one now? If we made all of our life's desisions based on the half hearted efforts we made when we were 13 year old then we'd all die from infections we got from over Masterbation.

If your social life has improved in the last 5 years, Then how is it a good idea to base not only your whole life, but your eternal one as well, on the efforts you put fourth to know God when you were 13?

Remember, I already believed in God. I spent days, even weeks praying that he might enlighten me to his presence, to show me he existed. I begged and pleaded that he would just flip a switch in my head that allowed me to see I was being a fool for doubting things that I had believed so willingly all my life before.
Nothing happened. No enlightenment, no switch flipped.

how could you possiably know what happened?
You haven't lived long enough yet. The only think you proved is that God has not conceeded to the time line you have set before Him.
I will be 37 in a few days and I am just now starting to see How God answered prayers I made when I was 18. So to Say God did not answer a prayer in your time frame... Know that He seldom does.

I eventually turned to all Gods, hoping that one would answer me with something. I am not a stupid person, so if I asked God to show me a sign I knew what I should expect from him, and it wasn't my school project on the computer deleting itself (later found it, deleted by... me), it wasn't finding a dollar I had used as a bookmark in years passed. I never did get an answer in any form ever. Eventually they led me to become more comfortable with my skepticism and my skepticism led me to my atheism.

how do you know this is not an answer to your prayer in of itself?
You wanted 'proof' of God what if proof could only be provided if first you had to absolve questions you could not ask because of some misunderstood 'respect' you gave the church that was not needed? What if your journey into Atheism was the only way you could resolve these issues, and accept the proof God would provide?

God yeild results, not the journeys we want to take.

So, why didn't my desperate appeal to any God to make his presence known fail? I already believed, I was hardly testing God. I just wanted him to confirm my belief. Why didn't he comfort me and show me my path was correct?

Have you considered it was not correct? You were wanting God to confirm a faith based in magic and wonder. God defines and outlines Faith in Hebrews 11. What you were doing was not 'on path faith.'

Anyway, I don't disbelieve today because God didn't answer my plead to enlighten me, but more because there is no evidence at all for his existence, so don't think that I gave up my belief for a failed prayer.

Luke 11 perscribes a plan/path will give you all the evidence you need.

will finish post laster..