RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 10:54 am
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2012 at 11:32 am by spockrates.)
(August 14, 2012 at 8:36 am)pgrimes15 Wrote:(August 14, 2012 at 8:30 am)Drich Wrote: He was seperated from the Father. He accepted the consenquences that was slated for us/sinners.
Ahh. Getting somewhere now. If the sacrifice was being seperated from the Father, why did he need to be crucified?
Doesn't this imply that during Jesus' life the holy trinity became the holy duo ?
Regards
Grimesy
As I understand, the separation was not one of essence, but one of relationship. God being (so to speak) one what in three whos, the Son had never not been in communion with the Father until that point in time. It's a kind of suffering one who is one person might not be able to comprehend. There is also some biblical evidence that the past and the future are experienced eternally as the present for God, and that God remains unchanged by the events of time. If this is the case, there might be some sense in which the suffering of God never ends and is, like God forever.
(August 14, 2012 at 9:51 am)jupitor Wrote: He sacrificed his own life for the belief in God. He wouldn't denounce Christianity. He'd rather die for his beliefs, in the hope others would follow.
I would denounce it rather than die.
But my opinion is that Jesus never existed. He's part of Greek mythology. He only spoke in parables, or Greek philosophy, rather. No one speaks like that all the time.
If you are studying the New International Bible, can you please glance through Matthew/mark/Luke/John.? In one verse it says Jesus is somewhere [I can't recall which town] and he is saying he is the son of God. A woman says...'but you are a Greek.'
Can you find which page/verse it is in please?
I could not find the passage you mentioned, and do not recall anyone claiming Jesus was not Jewish. Perhaps you can find it for us?
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