RE: Prayer?
August 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2012 at 8:15 pm by Drich.)
(August 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm)Thor Wrote: In "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" we are told that a young girl came upon the home of three bears and she helped herself to their porridge and beds. And this story is just as believable as yours.
Quote:I take this to mean there will be 1000 year trial period for all of those who think they found a loop hole into heaven (along with everyone else) where we will get a picture of what it is like to live under God's will (No sin) for a while.
A trial period? For 1,000 years? Now you're just pulling crap out of thin air.
Quote: Durning that reign of Christ I do not think sin will be possiable.
How could it not be possible to sin? Like I said, does this mean you can't utter the phrase "GODDAMMIT!" in heaven?
Quote: At the end of this 1000 year period Satan will be released one last time to rally against God.
Release the hounds!
Quote: Meaning Sin will be reintroduced and those who want to be outside of God's expressed will, will have the oppertunity to do so at that time. Further seperating the wheat from the chaff.. Those who truly want to be with God from those who want what God can offer, but do not wish to serve God with all that they are.
And your evidence to support ANY of this hooey is....?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV
Read the chapter from start to finish.
I see very few questions to answer. The majority of what you have written is a matter of personal conjecture and faith. I am not here to argue what you personally believe.
I will answer what few questions that were asked that pertained to the bible/God.
(August 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm)Skepsis Wrote: Tell me, does God know my whole life and how it will play out?It is suggested in the arguements that surround the 'Omni-aspects' of God, but the problem with that arguement is that the 'Omni-aspects of God' are not specifically mentioned in the bible. So the truth. I don't know, but I'd like to think so.
Did he know the details of everything in creation before he created it?
Depending on those answers, I can proceed with the argument.
Quote:You didn't really answer my question. Can we make choices with everything in our lives, or not?No. Not all choice we are presented with are ours to make. I chose to marry my wife in a small cermony with just our imediate family present. She chose to invite 250 other people, and moved the wedding to a church downtown. What you call choice is an illusion, for we are slaves to circumstance. (we can not 'choose to be outside of our circumstances.) However the Choice God has promised is not an illusion for He has made way to provide it to all of us. It pertains to where we will spend eternity. This is the only true choice we have been promised.
Quote:I am an atheist on a track for hellfire. lol.Without the benfit of perspective you do not know what track you are on.
Quote:I explained that they were linked but that unanswered prayer has nothing to do with why I don't believe in a God.So if God personally did a jig for you and answered all of the prayers you prayed in the way you prayed you still wounldn't believe in God?
Quote:Alright, this is the crux of the matter. Only those that really, really want to believe would spend their life begging a god to answer their prayers.Luke 11 has nothing to do with begging God to answer prayers.
Quote: This means that they would likely only last a couple months before something made them believe for some reason or another that directly correlate with their want to believe.That is what seeking in the bible is about. If one is grounded in scripture then 'events' have to follow a very strict set of requirements before they can even be considered to be an 'act of God.'
The oppsite of what you think is true here.
Quote:You said you prayed for an answer from all Gods.My mother was buddhist, so it was more than prayer I searched for many things that did not include God.
Quote:Why the hell was that "seeking" while my prayer to all Gods was not?I found the same thing you did when I sought other 'gods.'
Quote: I did use the bible to guide my prayers, asking God to provide personal revelation. That is "seeking".There is one prayer we are told to pray. there is one God we must seek. We are told we must Humble ourselves before God. This means we must do things 'His way.' We must Seek His way. Humble yourself before God and HE will lift you up. Not put a month time line on your effort and expect God to meet you half way. If you do not know how to be humble then Ask God to show you Humility.
Quote: I did both of the important parts but left out the part that only those dedicated to believing anyway would follow.God the Son makes a promise in Luke 11. If you do these three things Ask Seek and Knock (knocking being the biggest part of the parable and subsequently the only thing your heart will not allow) He will provide what you need to establish and maintain the faith needed for a relationship with Him.
Essentially you are offering a spiced-up version of self indoctrination.
Quote:Essentially God is a wizard... but that isn't the point.Actually it is. God denied you petition to paint Him as a wizard for your whole life as a believer and yet you did so anyway. Now imagine how strong your 'faith' would be if He positivly answered your 'wizard' prayers.
Quote: If you are saying that he is so impotent that he cannot exert himself in a way that cannot be chalked up to those outside your bubble to confirmation bias?Why would He want to? Don't you understand if there was absolute undenyable confirmation to the existance of God the one choice you have goes away? It's like yoou said "I'd rather be a Slave than burn." Now as a matter of self perservation you are forcing yourself into eternal slavery.
Quote:Couldn't be worse than making me an antitheist, I suppose.Atheism is a tempering process. it will either make the faith you will have stronger, or it will make your heart harder. It's a tool like any other how it is used depends on you.
Quote:So you were a skeptic?Yes
Quote:What made you accept something that is completely unevidenced?I made and honest effort to the promise God make in Luke 11 and He full filled that promise. He provided evidence for me.