(August 16, 2012 at 8:20 pm)Drich Wrote:(August 15, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Gambit Wrote: How would we know the significance of the cost, given that all we have witnessed is a man dieing and a bunch of texts that are barely substantial to begin with? If you mention the holy ghost I'm going to strangle you with your own corporal mortification device.
you ask why did Jesus Have to die for our sins.
(August 16, 2012 at 5:50 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: Are you saying that it was a demonstration, or bit of theatre to make a point. Couldn't god have done something else like turn the sun off for a bit or make the sky turn orange.what does that have to do with the pain, loss, despare, the brutal ripping and seperation God the Son endured Spiritually and physically?
Quote:I'm not trying to be trite or facetious, but it just does not make sense to me that a human sacrifice was necessary, in and of itself, to the exclusion of all other courses of action (like flying off in a fiery chariot).Don't know what you mean.
More broadly speaking, when is a human sacrifice ever needed for anything.
(August 18, 2012 at 9:13 am)Drich Wrote: Christ was executed the worst possiable way known to those people at that time, and was scourged on top of it. All of that so we may have an idea of the cost of salvation/attonement. Even so some still do not understand, and ask why the cost of attonement is spelled out physically.
If all of this was done and people are confused about what was displayed here at the cross, then how much less meaning would there be for a sound and light show? Again all of this was done so the those who seek attonement/salvation know of the cost to provide it. So we can phathom the pain and seperation Christ endured on a physical level.
Yes I get what your saying. Jesus was tortured and executed so that we may have "an idea of the cost of salvation/attonement."
This does not address what my question is.
I'll try and put it in a different way.
If the worst possible way of execution at the time was being "hung-drawn and quartered" would that be the method used to execute Jesus.
Was the "worst possible way known" chosen to make the most lasting impression on the witnesses.?
If the aim was just to make an impression, couldn't something else spectacular have been done (i.e. turn the sun off for an hour - that way everyone in the world would get the message).
Was it the execution that was the essential element - regardless of the method - or was it the method that was the important thing? To both these questions I ask why?
Regards
Grimesy
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon