Prayer?

[Ryantology]

As it is still being brought up, obviously you haven't defeated the argument to anyone's satisfaction except your own.

But if you can't answer it, that's cool.

It's being brought up because you haven't read your brothers failed attempts to apply predestination to "God's Plan."

This is an arguement from ignorance.

Ignorance of what? Plans? The very concept of a plan demands some level of predisposition to all variables if it is carried out perfectly (which we expect from an allegedly perfect being). So, if every action I take is according to The Plan, I should never be judged for anything I do, because either I was programmed by God to do these things directly, or programmed to operate within a certain range of behaviors.

What I'm saying is that if people really do suffer in Hell, there can only be two reasons why. One, God specifically selected certain people to end up there, which can only be possible if he's holding humanity to a standard of morality far beyond his meager capacity to match, let alone exceed, or two: he is angry because some people act against his wishes, which can only be possible if he half-assed his Plan.

It is impossible to reconcile truly free will with the idea of God's Plan. If there is a God and he really has all his shit figured out ahead of time, what we call 'free will' is only being able to choose from a very narrow set of variables when they are offered to us. Which is, of course, the way we understand free will to work (as it is obvious we cannot exercise the vast majority of the things we mentally conceive).

You've dismissed the argument simply, therefore, your smoking gun retort should be able to be restated just as simply, if you actually have one. Of course, you do not, but I'd prefer you either humor my ignorance or just ignore it.